[talaniman]

98% of catholic women disobey the pope. Now what?

[tomder55]

Not my call. Maybe they should examine their own convictions .

[Wondergirl]

I would advise her to try a natural approach 1st . The whole idea of shutting down a woman's sexuality is a serious issue

If anything, taking a contraceptive would STRAIGHTEN OUT her cycle and sexuality. Without it, she could even have emotional and mental issues with her hormones all over the place. She might even have access to firearms.

[tomder55]

Do you really need me to document all the adverse side effects ? Let's put it this way. Things like low libido and mood swings are commonly described by many women who have experience with hormonal contraception. Not being a doctor I can't officially recommend alternatives ;but if asked my opinion I would opine that starting with a change in diet ;and a supplement regimen... then certain herbal remedies before considering going on any drug regimen that's likely to last many decades .

[Wondergirl]

Do you really need me to document all the adverse side effects ?

How many have you taken? I took them for years and they did a world of good for me. If the doctor is watchful and careful and oversees what he gives his patients, contraception can change a woman's world from a gloomy, even painful and miserable place to one with sunshine flowing over it.

I'm all for herb therapy, but not so much with this kind of problem.

[tomder55]

How many have you taken?

That's a real bogus argument .

I took them for years and they did a world of good for me. If the doctor is watchful and careful and oversees what he gives his patients, contraception can change a woman's world from a gloomy, even painful and miserable place to one with sunshine flowing over it

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Glad it worked out for you .Still the risks are more real then you dismiss. You talked of mood swings without them .The truth Is that many patients experience depression with them ,and then the doctor compounds the problem with anti-depressants .
You chance ,increased risk of cervical and breast cancers ,increased risk of heart attack and stroke ,migraines,high blood pressure,gall bladder disease,liver tumors , bone density loss,and blood clotting on the pill. So like I said ,glad it worked out for you . But that doesn't change the fact that it's over prescribed .

[Wondergirl]

Glad it worked out for you .

You have to be an informed consumer and your own best advocate. That's what I would be preaching instead of no contraceptives no matter what and here, drink this herbal tea I've made for you. I was taking contraceptives back when they were first invented, and there weren't many choices. Now there are tons of different brands and types, so there's no excuse to be a martyr about side effects and mood swings.

[tomder55]

Just saying.. take them ,especially the ones with synthetic hormones, at your own risk. D@mn right be informed . It's potentially very dangerous . 15 year old girls get strokes and heart attacks on the pill.

[talaniman]

I guess that's why a doctor prescribes them, not the pope. I can't believe you think BC is over prescribed. According to you because of the listed known side effects we shouldn't take anything.

Viagra Side Effects in Detail - Drugs.com

(to many side effects to copy and paste)

BBC News | Viagra | Viagra risks 'bigger than first thought'

Truth about Viagra Blindness

23 million men have used Viagra since 1988, including 900,000 in the UK. Although few serious side effects have been seen, recent reports (2005) suggest a possible risk of blindness from non-arteritic ischaemic optic neuropathy. This is a rare condition in which blood supply is reduced to the optic nerve causing permanent nerve damage, and research workers at the University of Minnesota believe they have detected a cluster of cases of blindness from this cause in men who have taken Viagra.

The US Food and Drug Administration has also identified 50 men with blindness who have taken Viagra, but who also had diabetes and heart disease. However these problems with blindness need to be seen in the context of 23 million users, most of which have experienced significant benefit to their sex lives, and the fact that blindness is a known risk in those with both diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

Now we are supposed to believe you are concerned for the poor dumb woman taking BC? Talk about a bogus argument. Yeah the pope says Viagra is okay.

[Wondergirl]

[a few] 15 year old girls get strokes and heart attacks on the pill.

And the rest of them don't get pregnant.

[tomder55]

I can't believe you think BC is over prescribed

it is .

According to you because of the listed known side effects we shouldn't take anything.

Your words . Other than that I won't respond to your BS . And why are you wasting time about Viagra. It is irrelevant to the discussion except that it also is over prescribed .

[Wondergirl]

Viagra. It is irrelevant to the discussion except that it also is over prescribed .

The taking of Viagra makes the need for contraception even more necessary.

[tomder55]

And the rest of them don't get pregnant.

Ah so we've gone full circle from a drug prescribed for specific medical conditions to a dangerous prophylactic .

[Wondergirl]

Ah so we've gone full circle from a drug prescribed for specific medical conditions to a dangerous prophylactic .

Rare is the 15 year old taking a birth control pill for hormonal reasons. YOU are the one who dragged in the red herring.

[tomder55]

The taking of Viagra makes the need for contraception even more necessary.

And ? It is irrelevant to this discussion . The topic Ex started was about medically prescribed birth control pills not about men getting artificial erections..

[Wondergirl]

And ? It is irrelevant to this discussion . The topic Ex started was about medically prescribed birth control pills not about men getting artificial erections..

And what are they going to do with those artificial erections?

So quit the Viagra discussion. Contraception is needed for all sorts of reasons, and preventing a sperm and egg from getting together is only one of them.

[talaniman]

And ? It is irrelevant to this discussion . The topic Ex started was about medically prescribed birth control pills not about men getting artificial erections..

No it was about the war on women that you guys deny you are waging. You are trying to blame them for the ills of society and make them subject to your rules, and they ain't going for it. Hence a war because you guys need to just quit.

[tomder55]

You guys need to find other distractions from your failed policies.

[Wondergirl]

You guys need to find other distractions from your failed policies.

Tell us you love us and want us to be fully autonomous.

[paraclete]

Tell us you love us and want us to be fully autonomous.

Why would we do that when you love yourselves so much?