[Wondergirl]

No, my dad needs nursing home care, but one would expect them be proactive, not expect us to make sure he's healthy and safe.

It doesn't work that way. In fact, it has NEVER worked that way. Nursing homes give physical on-the-spot care (clean you up, give you meds [hopefully the right ones], change your bed and your pjs every now and then, do your laundry [maybe, without losing it]). You yourself or your family has always had to be your best advocate for maintaining mental and physical health when in a nursing home.

I've been a family member dealing with elderly relatives and nursing homes for years. Both my MIL who insisted on staying home and who died last year at 93 and my own mom who also insists on living at home and is 89 realized a nursing home is not where they want to be. There are huge efforts being made to keep elderly relatives at home and managing with family help and visiting nurses/community helpers. I'm sorry, speech, that's not possible in your dad's situation.

[speechlesstx]

Sorry, I don't buy it. If a patient is obviously sick they need to take action.

[talaniman]

Likely that's a ambulance trip to the hospital. Nursing homes generally cannot perform diagnostic tests. Nor administer any meds not prescribed by doctors. Licensing and liability issues.

[speechlesstx]

Likely that's a ambulance trip to the hospital. Nursing homes generally cannot perform diagnostic tests. Nor administer any meds not prescribed by doctors. Licensing and liability issues.

It's the VA, they have a staff physician.

[Wondergirl]

Sorry, I don't buy it. If a patient is obviously sick they need to take action.

Nope. They can alert the family if they see a need, but it's the family's responsibility to make something happen (a doctor to come in or the patient to go somewhere) if tests are needed, medical care changed, etc. My husband several times a week would visit his aunt in her very nice nursing home (her son and husband had already died, so she gave my husband POA). It fell to him to monitor her health and coordinate with the nursing home to make sure she received the appropriate care.

***ADDED And the same with a VA nursing home.

[speechlesstx]

Nope. They can alert the family if they see a need, but it's the family's responsibility to make something happen (a doctor to come in or the patient to go somewhere) if tests are needed, medical care changed, etc. My husband several times a week would visit his aunt in her very nice nursing home (her son and husband had already died, so she gave my husband POA). It fell to him to monitor her health and coordinate with the nursing home to make sure she received the appropriate care.

***ADDED And the same with a VA nursing home.

Excuse me, but don't tell me what kind of care my dad is supposed to be receiving. It is a skilled nursing facility and it is their responsibility to recognize a medical need.

[tomder55]

[Tuttyd]

I think you mean sorry for trying to do the impossible with the improvable.

[tomder55]

That too I guess. It aint being sorry for lying to the American people and deceiving us with a false narrative about the law being rammed down our throats. He claimed in his interview he was sorry people are losing their plans even after the claim he made multiple times that if you like your plan and your doctors you could keep them.
Obama: "I'm sorry" Americans are losing insurance - CBS News
What was really sorry was his self serving apology . He's not at all sorry that people are losing their insurance plans. The worse is yet to come when his one year delay of the employer mandate is over ;and millions of Americans lose their insurance.

[Tuttyd]

That too I guess. It aint being sorry for lying to the American people and deceiving us with a false narrative about the law being rammed down our throats. He claimed in his interview he was sorry people are losing their plans even after the claim he made multiple times that if you like your plan and your doctors you could keep them.
Obama: "I'm sorry" Americans are losing insurance - CBS News
What was really sorry was his self serving apology . He's not at all sorry that people are losing their insurance plans. The worse is yet to come when his one year delay of the employer mandate is over ;and millions of Americans lose their insurance.

Intended consequences often lead to unintended consequences. No doubt there will be many more unintended consequences to come. Unfortunately the quantum computer is still in the infancy stage.

[tomder55]

Nah ,this was an intended consequence. Oh the web site is an unplanned circumstance mostly due to the collective hubris of the Obots... but the people losing their plans... they knew that would happen .

[Tuttyd]

Nah ,this was an intended consequence. Oh the web site is an unplanned circumstance mostly due to the collective hubris of the Obots... but the people losing their plans... they knew that would happen .

Tom, I think you are giving credit where credit isn't warranted.

[tomder55]

Nah they knew .
U.S. Departments of Health and Human Services, Labor, and Treasury Issue Regulation on ?Grandfathered? Health Plans under the Affordable Care Act
The generous interpretation is that they knew everyone would have to transition into a plan that the Obots approved . But that is NOT how it was sold.

[tomder55]

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

So, if you have sh!t insurance, why would want to keep it if you can get BETTER insurance through the exchange???

excon

[talaniman]

If you read the grandfather clause it basically leaves most private policies in the hands of the companies that sold them. Should have been tightened up long ago, but righties can't read, and think companies can do what they want to make money any way, so what's the right wing beef?

You didn't care if consumers and workers get screwed by for profit private companies before, now all of a sudden you care?

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

So, if you have sh!t insurance, why would want to keep it if you can get BETTER insurance through the exchange???

excon

That would be my choice.. right.. I may have many reasons to not want what the exchanges are offering... maybe as simple as I like the price. Maybe I don't need all the things that are now being mandated . No one has proven to me that the exchanges are going to be less expensive. Certainly the evidence so far is the opposite .
Again ,the essential point is that the emperor lied repeatedly about it .

[tomder55]

If you read the grandfather clause it basically leaves most private policies in the hands of the companies that sold them. Should have been tightened up long ago, but righties can't read, and think companies can do what they want to make money any way, so what's the right wing beef?

You didn't care if consumers and workers get screwed by for profit private companies before, now all of a sudden you care?

BS .That's a convenient deflection . Repeat after me... the emperor lied when he said "if you like your plan you can keep it ...PERIOD "

[Wondergirl]

BS .That's a convenient deflection . Repeat after me... the emperor lied when he said "if you like your plan you can keep it ...PERIOD "

He unfortunately trusted that the insurance companies look forward to gaining more insured and wouldn't do an end run around him. They quickly figured out how to make even more money off the ACA..

[tomder55]

He unfortunately trusted that the insurance companies look forward to gaining more insured and wouldn't do an end run around him. They quickly figured out how to make even more money off the ACA..

Lol you make it sound like the insurance companies had a choice. The truth is that the emperor knew that it was standard practice for insurance companies to make annual adjustments for plans... very minor ones . The emperor knew that once that happened the new regulations bound them to discontinue those plans. So stop the ruse of blaming the insurance companies . That dog don't hunt .