[tomder55]

I still ask if you have junk insurance or a bare bones policy and NEVER use it, how do you know you like it?

You really think a $770 / mo. premium plan was a bare bones policy?

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

You really think a $770 / mo. premium plan was a bare bones policy?

MANY of the policies sold in right wing controlled states, certainly MIGHT be bare bones at that price. In those states, the QUALITY of a policy is NOT related to its price.

By the way, those are the states where you think EVERY American should buy their insurance... Fortunately, SOME states have insurance commissioners who believe the CONSUMERS of insurance are their constituency, whereas in RIGHT WING states, the insurance commissioner is there FOR the insurance companies..

excon

[tomder55]

Why would I want to buy a policy in that state if there was no savings in the reduced coverage plans . Your argument makes no sense. Now Fla, did indeed have bare bones plans . But the people who purchased them paid around $100/month or less ,not over $700 .

[cdad]

Hello again, dad:
Forced??? Is THAT what you call democracy in action???? Let's see.

If I were to say that Texas, for example, is FORCING abortion clinics to close, I'll betcha you'd call THAT democracy in action, wouldn't you?? I'll bet you'd tell the sniveling libs that if they DON'T like it, WIN some elections.

Given those irrefutable facts, WHO'S the one drinking koolaid?

excon

What your talking about has nothing to do with Obamacare. What we the people recieved had nothing to do with democracy. It had everything to do with a ruler forcing his will in his subjects.

Was it debated from the begining? No! Was it read before it was passed ? No ! Was it explained to the people with transparency ? No !

Hardly democratic at all. You guys need to put down that blunt and stop smoking the bs and come back to reality.

[speechlesstx]

Your anecdotes never have enough data to make reasonable decisions because in fact all you want is to portray the downside of sticker shock.

I still ask if you have junk insurance or a bare bones policy and NEVER use it, how do you know you like it? In the past many who liked their insurance didn't like it when they had to use it, and I am sure a 64 year old healthy guy or woman would not like to have cancer screenings or prostate exams NOT covered by the insurance they paid for and liked so well.

Tal, I can see the veins popping out of your neck. Don't get mad at us for sharing what the media has finally discovered, Obamacare isn't such a great deal and Americans are not happy that you're hitting them hard in the wallet for things they don't want and don't need.

Stop pretending you know what's better for us than we do. It's really quite arrogant and insulting.

[speechlesstx]

What your talking about has nothing to do with Obamacare. What we the people recieved had nothing to do with democracy. It had everything to do with a ruler forcing his will in his subjects.

Was it debated from the begining? No! Was it read before it was passed ? No ! Was it explained to the people with transparency ? No !

Hardly democratic at all. You guys need to put down that blunt and stop smoking the bs and come back to reality.

Amen, brother.

[paraclete]

Who pays $770 a month for health insurance?

[tomder55]

Many people will be paying much more under the Unaffordable Health Care Act . I pay almost $400 with my employer contributing the majority of the rate .Then again ,here in NY the idiots who make the regulations made sure we were covered for everything that Obamacare mandates and more.

[tomder55]

Turns out you can't keep your doctor either .
A Stage-4 Gallblader Cancer Survivor Says: I Am One of ObamaCare's Losers - WSJ.com

[speechlesstx]

But, but, but...

http://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status...485184/photo/1

Good thing everyone has contraception coverage and their insurance can't drop them if they get sick. Too darn bad they don't have a doctor any more.

[talaniman]

Second major health insurer pulls out of California market

"One of the factors I believe contributed to this decision, even if the two companies are disinclined to acknowledge it, is the special tax break that California law gives to Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, which has allowed and continues to allow those two companies to avoid paying $100 million in state taxes a year," added Commissioner Jones. "Aetna and United Healthcare don't get the special tax break provided to Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, and so they faced a major competitive disadvantage in California."

Aetna had approximately 60,000 people covered by individual policies as of March 31, 2013, and it projects it will have approximately 50,000 people covered by individual policies at the end of 2013, when the company exits the individual market. United Healthcare, through its subsidiary PacifiCare, had approximately 10,000 individual policyholders late in 2012. Policyholders from both companies have been informed they can keep their existing health insurance until December 31, 2013. Aetna and United Healthcare policyholders will be able to purchase health insurance from other health insurers inside and outside the new California health benefits exchange.

All the companies are getting out of the individual insurance market which represents 5% of the insurance buying public. Servicing plans that could be grandfathered under the law, is not profitable even though it has made companies billions just in California. I linked this before but was of course discounted because it doesn't meet the right wing narrative.

You guys weren't pissed when people were routinely kicked off insurance coverage before, so why the hell are you pissed off now? Why have you gotten past this knee jerk narrative and asked the insurance company why they have decide to abandon this market I the first place?

Why ignore the obvious? For every bad story you have you have ignored the 10 stories of people who have already benefited from the new law, despite bad practices of the past by insurance companies. Now all of a sudden they are your heroes that are victims of liberal ideas. Give me a break with your right wing lies, and half truths. It's the insurance companies that are practicing greed and they always have.

[speechlesstx]

Second major health insurer pulls out of California market



All the companies are getting out of the individual insurance market which represents 5% of the insurance buying public. Servicing plans that could be grandfathered under the law, is not profitable even though it has made companies billions just in California. I linked this before but was of course discounted because it doesn't meet the right wing narrative.

You guys weren't pissed when people were routinely kicked off insurance coverage before, so why the hell are you pissed off now? Why have you gotten past this knee jerk narrative and asked the insurance company why they have decide to abandon this market I the first place?

Why ignore the obvious? For every bad story you have you have ignored the 10 stories of people who have already benefited from the new law, despite bad practices of the past by insurance companies. Now all of a sudden they are your heroes that are victims of liberal ideas. Give me a break with your right wing lies, and half truths. It's the insurance companies that are practicing greed and they always have.

Dude, the only one with a knee jerk narrative is you who are in denial of the current reality. It's your compliant media that's reporting these "right wing lies and half truths," so stop taking it out on us for them finally doing there job. For that one who lost their doctor or can no longer afford the coverage they had this is very real and I'm sure they aren't very happy with you dismissing their concerns.

[talaniman]

We wouldn't have this problem with balancing the needs of the 15%, against the needs of the 5%, if we eliminated the for profit middle man and we all had the same insurance from the get go. Now that's equal.

[speechlesstx]

We wouldn't have squat if people can't make a profit for their product. Why are you so against profits?

[talaniman]

You ain't got squat now because pofits go up, and wages don't. Of course we know that's what you want, even though YOUR wages haven't gone up either.

[tomder55]

We wouldn't have this problem with balancing the needs of the 15%, against the needs of the 5%, if we eliminated the for profit middle man and we all had the same insurance from the get go. Now that's equal.

Then why didn't the Dems pass that ? Because they know in a situation where there are alternatives ,state controlled single payer heath care is DOA in this country . So you set up this scam that is designed to kill the insurance industry first. I sat in a town hall meeting and heard my Dem Congressman all but admit that fact.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

So you set up this scam that is designed to kill the insurance industry first.

I don't know much about politics, but I don't think FAILING on their signature piece of legislation is a good strategy for achieving what they actually want.. Only in the minds of right wingers, would this be true.

excon

[smoothy]

I guess EX hasn't found out how much his rates are going to skyrocket yet... or how high his deductibles are going up as one of the self employed who must buy individucal policies...

Assuming he's been honest with us about that part.

[tomder55]

Seniors in NY in Medicare Advantage can't keep their doctor either
The seniors getting hurt by Obamacare - NY Daily News

[excon]

Hello smoothy, fuktard:

Assuming he's been honest with us about that part.

What??? I'm gonna explain myself you to you, a$$hole???? Who the fuk do you think you are???

excon