[paraclete]

States don't have rights and someone better show me where the word 'rights ' is applied to any governing entity in the constitution. The founders specifically used the word 'powers' regarding the governing entities ;and specifically enumerated which ones the federal government possesses .
The war was always about slavery ;and every other cause that was taught to us in history classes all have a direct link back to the slavery issue .

OK Tom have it your way the north violated the rights of the states by claiming powers it didn't have.

[tomder55]

Wrong again . The southern states seceded and then waged war against the North.

[paraclete]

Wrong again . The southern states seceded and then waged war against the North.

And why did they feel the necessity to sucede, probably the same reason some Republicans recently attempted to enforce their will on others

[tomder55]

I already told you the cause of the war. Slavery . The southern states believed that the emergence of the Republican party would usher in the end of the 'Peculiar Institution'.

[paraclete]

I already told you the cause of the war. Slavery . The southern states believed that the emergence of the Republican party would usher in the end of the 'Peculiar Institution'.

The issue in the Civil War was freedom with a peripheral issue of slavery. They were right that the Republicans would take a strong stance since their base was in the non slave states. That the Republicans didn't see the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens as reprehensible carries through to this day. What did they win, a shattered nation', and an end to slavery in name only, since the freed slaves still had to be employed. In fact, they very nearly lost the war against a smaller, determined foe. Doesn't it strike you strange that the average citizen of the south would fight so strongly for an institution they didn't directly benefit from. The notion of states rights or "powers" was firmly ingrained in their thinking. The Republican idea of sending a punitive force into the Carolina's was at the heart of what transpired and it was an unnecessary overreaction

[tomder55]

The Republican idea of sending a punitive force into the Carolina's was at the heart of what transpired and it was an unnecessary overreaction

The American fort at Charleston was attacked you mean.

The issue in the Civil War was freedom with a peripheral issue of slavery.

Nope ,slavery was the only issue and all the other issues were related to slavery . When the south spoke of states rights ,they spoke of states rights to permit slavery . Every other issue, if they had not been tied directly to slavery ,could have and would have been resolved without war.

[paraclete]

The American fort at Charleston was attacked you mean.

Yes a small isolated fort was taken over, but they were at the point of surrendering when the war began, it was unnecessary

Nope ,slavery was the only issue and all the other issues were related to slavery . When the south spoke of states rights ,they spoke of states rights to permit slavery . Every other issue, if they had not been tied directly to slavery ,could have and would have been resolved without war.

Point being the Constitution didn't give the Feds the right "power" to regulate commerce within a state. They had the "power" to suppress insurrections but their actions widened the insurrection

[tomder55]

I can't help it if you get you facts from 1930s scholarship ;and propaganda films like 'The Birth of a Nation'. Studying the Civil War has been a personal hobby of mine since childhood. The whole nobel 'Lost Cause ' narrative is mythology . Next you'll be using the southern renamining of the conflict as "the War of Northern Aggression". Your whole narrative is what the south used to justify their untenable position that the issue was "states rights", instead of the preservation of slavery.

[paraclete]

Well you see Tom I have found that war interesting ever since I read the Lincoln letters. What is interesting is the different perceptions on each side. Freedom wasn't an issue for the northern states, it wasn't their land that was been trampled over by armies

[speechlesstx]

FYI, an Emerson College poll has Cucinelli only down by 2 points.

[tomder55]

FYI, an Emerson College poll has Cucinelli only down by 2 points.

Yes the race predictably tightened. McAuliffe is getting nervous . He messaged his supporters, in a get out the vote email ,warning that the election isn't over yet and told them he could lose. Sarvis is still showing double digit support. But I don't think he'll get close to that . So most of his support is still up for grabs.

[tomder55]

This race is close enough now to say that if Cuccinelli loses it will be because of the lack of support he got from his own party establishment. In the last week both Bill and Evita Clintoon have campaigned for McAuliffe, and the emperor will campaign for him today. (McAuliffe is one of the guys who slept in the Lincoln bedroom for campaign cash... he has other shady dealings that the OP alluded to ,but appear to be completely irrelevant if the GOP won't fund ads that bring them to the public attention)...

Cuccinelli was the 1st state Att General to sue over Obamacare .He deserved to have the GOP stand by him. The GOP despises their base . If there was any doubt about that then this election proves it. The established GOP has with few exceptions been complicit in the success of the progressive agenda of the last century.

[speechlesstx]

This race is close enough now to say that if Cuccinelli loses it will be because of the lack of support he got from his own party establishment. In the last week both Bill and Evita Clintoon have campaigned for McAuliffe, and the emperor will campaign for him today. (McAuliffe is one of the guys who slept in the Lincoln bedroom for campaign cash... he has other shady dealings that the OP alluded to ,but appear to be completely irrelevant if the GOP won't fund ads that bring them to the public attention)...

Cuccinelli was the 1st state Att General to sue over Obamacare .He deserved to have the GOP stand by him. The GOP despises their base . If there was any doubt about that then this election proves it. The established GOP has with few exceptions been complicit in the success of the progressive agenda of the last century.

Yup, the base was certainly not excited about our last two presidential nominees.

[tomder55]

And I was right . The game changer in this race was the 3rd party challenge by the pseudo-libertarian who just happened to have his campaign financed by billionaire Obama bundler Joe Liemandt. Cuccinelli narrowed the race to about 1 point in the final days and the issue that narrowed the gap was dissatisfaction of the electorate to Obamacare . He narrowed the gap DESPITE the campaign appearances of the Clintoons and the emperor over the weekend.
Also ,Ron Paul appeared over the weekend and denounced Sarvis for the phony libertarian he is . That appears to have peeled some of Sarvis' support to Cuccinelli .

Shame on the Repubic establishment for letting this one get away. Apparently the biggest issue they had against Cuccinelli was his opposition to a big spending transportation bill that Rep Guv Bob McDonnell signed .

[speechlesstx]

Well, McAulliffe should put on an interesting show.

[tomder55]

What we have in VA as of today is a Guv that is a Clintonoid ,and 2 Dem Senators in a swing state going into the 2016 elections where Evita will be the Dem standard bearer . Next year Mark Warner is up for reelection . He most likely will be challenged by Bob McDonnell who was term limitted this year. Not sure if Cuccinelli ,or another TP will stage a primary challenge. I'm sure the inside the beltway GOP cronies will put their money on McDonnell .

The biggest mistake the state made is written in US history .As part of a compromise with Federalists over the nation paying off state war debts; (which many in Va . Including Jefferson opposed ,in no small part because Va. Actually paid off it's own war debts ) , it was decided that the national capitol would be located on the bank of the Potamic River .Both Maryland and Va. Donated land on both sides of the river .
Well as things worked out ,back then no one anticipated that the Federal Gvt would grow to such a size that the capitol area would sprawl beyond the property ceded . On the contrary ,it was decided that Va would annex back the property it had donated in 1847. The retrocession of the Virginia portion of DC was not constitutional under the contract clause of the Constitution ( Article I, section 10, clause 1 ). But that has never been challenged .
So now with the Federal gvt growing to leviathan size ,there has been a huge influx of Federal employees into the area ;especially in the northern counties of Va.. These locust of course vote in their own self interest .So the northern counties of Va. No longer resemble the former red state character of Va.

[excon]

Hello again,

Ok. Virginia is purple.. But, Alabama is as RED as you get. The Tea Party LOST there too against just an ordinary conservative Republican. Does the Christy landslide along with these losses mean the Tea Party is toast?

excon

[talaniman]

Seems the TParty and the establishment republican party need a compromise, not a conflict for them both to survive. Ya think the TParty will get that message?

[speechlesstx]

Hello again,

Ok. Virginia is purple.. But, Alabama is as RED as you get. The Tea Party LOST there too against just an ordinary conservative Republican. Does the Christy landslide along with these losses mean the Tea Party is toast?

excon

No. And remember, the show boating amateur with no state government experience still has a GOP House to deal with.

[talaniman]

Christy will still have to deal with the TParty once he leaves NJ. I don't see Ted Cruz running. So who will be the TParty darling of 2016.