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smoothy · Oct 30, 2013, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I've still got my insurance and doctor. My son, a private payer, does too. No changes at my house.

You are aware none of this actually takes effect until Jan 1... right?And Everyone that got cancellation notices had policies that expire in January 2014....there is still everyone who's policies that expire Feb thru Dec 2014 that will be getting cancellation notices over the next 12 months. When does yours expire?. Almost NO policies in effect right now qualify...and if there are ANY changes to anything then under the law they HAVE to be canceled, changes in coverage, changes in deductibles, rates, copys ANY change and it can't legally be continued.

Its written into Obamacare very explicitly to force everyone OFF their existing policies. Nancy Pelosi and Obama should have told you if they weren't trying to hide it.

smoothy · Oct 30, 2013, 03:34 PM

Tal... You said you was able to register and everything... have you heard all your personal information is up there on a site that has absolutely ZERO encryption or ANY security what-so-ever?

Yes thats right....that government website is completely and utterly devoid of ANY security what-so-ever.....and its your people that admitted to that.

You better hope the Hackers of the world don't get that information and commit identity theft with it....if that happens (heaven forbid) you have Obama and your own party to thank for it.

tomder55 · Oct 30, 2013, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

You are aware none of this actually takes effect until Jan 1... right?And Everyone that got cancellation notices had policies that expire in January 2014....there is still everyone who's policies that expire Feb thru Dec 2014 that will be getting cancellation notices over the next 12 months. When does yours expire?. Almost NO policies in effect right now qualify...and if there are ANY changes to anything then under the law they HAVE to be canceled, changes in coverage, changes in deductibles, rates, copys ANY change and it can't legally be continued.

Its written into Obamacare very explicitly to force everyone OFF their existing policies. Nancy Pelosi and Obama should have told you if they weren't trying to hide it.

And the coup de gras will begin when the employer mandate begins to go into effect . The “Cadillac Tax”, which will hammer companies with a 40 % excise tax beginning in 2018.

NeedKarma · Oct 30, 2013, 04:13 PM

coup de gras

It's actually "coup de grâce". Coup de "gras" means a blow from fat. :)

tomder55 · Oct 30, 2013, 05:50 PM

Ooops

paraclete · Oct 31, 2013, 03:44 AM

No Fau Paux or was that Fau Gras

NeedKarma · Oct 31, 2013, 04:18 AM

It's "faux pas".

smoothy · Oct 31, 2013, 04:53 AM

Sure its not a PHO PAW?

speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2013, 04:57 AM

Foie gras?

speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2013, 05:09 AM

The latest from President "the buck stops there" sounds like he's been getting his talking points from AMHD, Obamacare is just weeding out those bad apple insurance companies.

Obama blames ‘bad apple insurers’ for canceled insurance plans

It's simple America, it's not a broken promise if he never intended to keep it, everyone but Obama, the Dems that passed it, wrote it and implemented it is to blame for the incompetence and it doesn't matter if you liked your plan, could afford it and wanted to keep it because you're too stupid to know what you want.

paraclete · Oct 31, 2013, 05:34 AM

Where does the incompetence lie if this legislation was enacted by the House and the Senate, Obama may have signed it but he wasn't its author

excon · Oct 31, 2013, 05:37 AM

Hello again, Steve:

it doesn't matter if you liked your plan, could afford it and wanted to keep it because you're too stupid to know what you want.

In this great country of ours, it's NOT illegal to buy a $400 car that isn't road worthy. It IS, however, ILLEGAL to put it on the road. We made it illegal, because people ARE very, very, STUPID.

Look. We've talked about the states that offer low cost cheap insurance. They have them because THOSE states have insurance commissioners who are friendly to the insurance INDUSTRY instead of the populace. Those states offer CHEAP insurance that your side thinks EVERYBODY should have, because they bring down the cost of healthcare...

But, if they don't really cover you when you get sick, they're not worth much... Basically, they're not "road worthy". When they break down, YOU and I pick up the difference. Now, I understand letting the free market reign. In fact, I'm a free marketeer.. But, when these policy's FAIL, the people go to the ER to get the MOST EXPENSIVE CARE there is, and YOU and I pay for it.. That is ANYTHING but the free market at work. It's you and me subsidizing the MOST EXPENSIVE HEALTH CARE THERE IS... As a card carrying right winger, that should really piss you off. But, it doesn't appear to. Why?

Now, are the people who BUY these policies STUPID??? No, of course not. They're DESPERATE. Come on, Steve. It's absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to make an apples to apples comparison when buying insurance.. I'm NOT stupid, but I have NO idea whether I have a good policy or not. In my booklet, there's 25 pages of exceptions, and things they DON'T cover. Nahhh.. I tossed a coin and bought what I THINK is ok, but I HAVE NO IDEA...

Look. I know this is the most recent right wing outrage, only to be replaced with another, and yet another, and even another, given that you're like a pit bull with his jaw clenched on a leg.

But, this outrage too, will be proven to be a lot of hot air about nothing. I say again, when all the chaff is cleared away, people will LOVE Obamacare, just like they do Medicare and Social Security.

excon

talaniman · Oct 31, 2013, 05:48 AM

How do you ignore the horror stories of people getting sick and finding out the insurance they have been paying for years doesn't cover their sickness? That was before Obama Care happened, and it was more the normal business practice to cap, limit, and discard policy holders.

How do you just dismiss the decades that people were rejected from buying insurance because they had medical issues?

You make a big deal of people losing insurance they like, but most will find out when they need it what they have. Then they won't like it. Yeah its great to be healthy, but we all know we have little control over sudden life changing events. How would you like to be a female who gets pregnant and that insurance you have had for a year doesn't cover maternity care, or hospital visits?

Simply saying you like what you have because its cheap and not needed at this time shouldn't stop you from looking at it objectively, nor objectively explore ALL your options, which you didn't have before.

Like what ways you can get a more comprehensive plan and if it can be subsidized to help pay for it. I guarantee those with sticker shock haven't explored those and are reacting out of that sticker shock, and haven't looked at what's out there (YET! ).

Bottom line, make sure you know what you have before you say how much you like it.

Another point is the number of people so affected by this "change" in policies you SAY you like, which so far is less than one in ten insured Americans, and a full 75% of those will mitigate that sticker shock with tax credits IMMEDIATELY. So I think we should make sure we have all the facts and not jump to a decision because of scary feelings.

Nobody has asked any of those people that can no longer keep what they like if they have even looked to see if they had better options available that they like more. Just hype over getting that letter that DIDN"T explain a damn thing they could do about it, and that's not the truth, or the fact of the matter.

Do your home work, before you holler, and I hope that sticker shock wears off soon. Then you won't be stuck on what you like but take a hard objective look at what you HAVE!

paraclete · Oct 31, 2013, 06:01 AM

Tal do you ever get sick of talking to a wall

smoothy · Oct 31, 2013, 06:06 AM

We aren't walls... we are people smart enough to see the liberal propaganda for what it really is... a steaming pile of bovine excrement.

speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2013, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Where does the incompetence lie if this legislation was enacted by the House and the Senate, Obama may have signed it but he wasn't its author

Um, I put that blame where it lies, "the Dems that passed it, wrote it."

speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2013, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:In this great country of ours, it's NOT illegal to buy a $400 car that isn't road worthy. It IS, however, ILLEGAL to put it on the road. We made it illegal, because people ARE very, very, STUPID.

Look. We've talked about the states that offer low cost cheap insurance. They have them because THOSE states have insurance commissioners who are friendly to the insurance INDUSTRY instead of the populace. Those states offer CHEAP insurance that your side thinks EVERYBODY should have, because they bring down the cost of healthcare..

Ex, that's bullsh*t and you of all people know it. It goes beyond all logic for an insurance company to triple the price of plan that's worse than their basic Obamacare plans. Enough already, I am not that stupid.

tomder55 · Oct 31, 2013, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Where does the incompetence lie if this legislation was enacted by the House and the Senate, Obama may have signed it but he wasn't its author

Since when are you an apologist for the emperor ? I can assure you that this is exactly what the emperor wants . Reid and Madame Mimi did exactly what he wanted. All his public statements ,even before the 2008 election revealed that he wanted a transition step to fail before his utopian vision of socialized health care is implemented .

excon · Oct 31, 2013, 06:28 AM

Hello again, Steve:

It goes beyond all logic for an insurance company to triple the price of plan that's worse than their basic Obamacare plans. Enough already, I am not that stupid.

No, you're not stupid.. But, you ARE premature.

When all the dust settles, I have CONFIDENCE that the FREE MARKET will work. People will be able to BUY good policies at affordable prices. If it doesn't, and/or it doesn't work on OTHER levels, I'll be the first one on this board to support repeal...

But, it's much too soon to make that determination...

excon

speechlesstx · Oct 31, 2013, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
No, you're not stupid.. But, you ARE premature.

When all the dust settles, I have CONFIDENCE that the FREE MARKET will work. People will be able to BUY good policies at affordable prices. If it doesn't, and/or it doesn't work on OTHER levels, I'll be the first one on this board to support repeal...

But, it's much too soon to make that determination...

excon

Possibly, but I doubt it. Meanwhile stop feeding me nonsense.