[talaniman]

It has everything to do with elections as you had a chance to repeal the ACA just by electing Romney. You failed. Elections are they way it works around here so win a few. Don't act like it ain't so.

2014 is your next shot. Good Luck.

[tomder55]

Nahh Dems don't believe that ,if they can't get what they want in elections ,they use obscure parliamentary procedures ,then they try the courts .When that don't work ,they use the bureaucracy . They have an emperor who changes laws outside of the constitutional way of laws being created and changed in Congress. THEY NEVER GIVE UP AND ACCEPT THAT ELECTIONS HAVE DECIDED ANYTHING .

[tomder55]

I've been listening to hearings for 2 days now . Haven't yet heard an honest answer from anyone testifying as to how many people have actually successfully enrolled ,or even tried to enroll. The contractors claimed they were under contractual restrictions from disclosing that info to Congress... and Sebelius is stonewalling as I type .

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

This has nothing to do with any election, it's the fact that the majority of the country said NO to Obamacare and Dems passed it anyway

Let's review, shall we???

Not long ago we had a national election.. It was an ACCURATE bellwether of what the people want, because EVERYBODY was involved. If you recall, Obamacare WAS an issue in that race. One of the candidates said he'd REPEAL Obamacare on his first day in office.

He lost, and, he lost BIG!

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:
Let's review, shall we???

Not long ago we had a national election.. It was an ACCURATE bellwether of what the people want, because EVERYBODY was involved. If you recall, Obamacare WAS an issue in that race. One of the candidates said he'd REPEAL Obamacare on his first day in office.

He lost, and, he lost BIG!

excon

Let's review, what put Obama over the top was not Obamacare. I think much of it had to with your manufactured war on women, not to mention the media cheerleaders and all those precious, but clueless young people who are getting a reality check about now.

President Obama's tactical victory is clear when you look at the election returns. He has no grand mandate that comes out of Tuesday's numbers. He has been re-elected, but his policies did not win the day. Voters didn't turn their faces up to the vision he painted they way they did in 2008. When voters were asked which candidate had a vision for the future, Romney won that question in exit polls, 55 percent to 43 percent. Asked about Obama's signature achievement, health care, voters did not approve. Forty-nine percent said they wanted it repealed in part or whole. Voters also said the federal government was too large.

Voters are deeply divided by race and age. The president can credit strong support from women. He led by 11 percentage points among women, while Romney led by 7 points among men. There was also an Obama advantage among younger voters. He grabbed a majority of those under 45. Older voters broke for Romney. Obama lost the white vote by a larger margin than in 2008 when he got 43 percent of the vote. On Tuesday, he got just 40 percent of the white vote. They represented virtually the same share of the electorate as before. But Obama made up for that deficit by winning handily with minorities which represented an ever so slightly larger share of the vote.

You can dispense with the spin, we're not stupid.

[talaniman]

Bush got his tax cuts through parliamentary tricks.

The Fiscal Cliff We All Saw Coming - Businessweek

Those other priorities were more important to voters than lower taxes. In 2001, the Pew Research Center found that 37 percent of Americans preferred to use the surplus to fund Social Security and Medicare, 23 percent for domestic spending, and only 19 percent for a tax cut. Even after selling the idea as a way to give back part of the surplus, Republicans couldn't bring on enough Democrats to pass it. To do so they resorted to reconciliation, the same parliamentary trick Democrats would use in 2010 to pass health-care reform. That allowed Republicans to get around a threatened filibuster, but Senate rules don't allow bills passed by reconciliation to create deficits more than 10 years in the future. Thus, the 10-year expiration date.

By the next year, things had gotten very serious. The economy had slowed, and a war was on the way. There were no more surpluses to play with. In 2002 the federal government ran a deficit of $158 billion. The White House began a push for more tax cuts, this time justifying them as a stimulus

Just to give accuracy of how the government works by YOUR side, and mine. Because YOU guys FAILED doesn't mean we will. I mean you cost us 24 billion with a shutdown after bringing about a credit down grade, that raised interest rates on the debt. Both have negative global implications.

My conclusion is you guys can't count.

[talaniman]

Let's review, what put Obama over the top was not Obamacare. I think much of it had to with your manufactured war on women, not to mention the media cheerleaders and all those precious, but clueless young people who are getting a reality check about now.



You can dispense with the spin, we're not stupid.

So everybody is stupid but YOU guys?

[speechlesstx]

So everybody is stupid but YOU guys?

Nope, we aren't the ones treating Americans like they're stupid and helpless.

[talaniman]

I've been listening to hearings for 2 days now . Haven't yet heard an honest answer from anyone testifying as to how many people have actually successfully enrolled ,or even tried to enroll. The contractors claimed they were under contractual restrictions from disclosing that info to Congress... and Sebelius is stonewalling as I type .

They all said you get the numbers in November. But they keep asking for the numbers over and over and getting the same answer.

[tomder55]

Why should a member of Congress wait ? The numbers are available except for the stonewalling .

[talaniman]

You mean why should republicans wait? Because we all know they just want something to pounce on. So wait for it. You been pouncing on stuff for three solid weeks already.

Curb your enthusiasm. Your seek and destroy mentality is disgusting. Past FAILURE is frustrating I know.

[speechlesstx]

You mean why should republicans wait? Because we all know they just want something to pounce on. So wait for it. You been pouncing on stuff for three solid weeks already.

Curb your enthusiasm. Your seek and destroy mentality is disgusting. Past FAILURE is frustrating I know.

And your aversion to transparency is even more disturbing. I'm tired of being lied to.

[talaniman]

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-i...d-health-plan/

If you are covered by a plan that existed March 23, 2010, your plan may be "grandfathered." You may not get some rights and protections that other plans offer.

Grandfathered plans

Grandfathered plans are those that were in existence on March 23, 2010 and have stayed basically the same. But they can enroll people after that date and still maintain their grandfathered status. In other words, even if you joined a grandfathered plan after March 23, 2010, the plan may still be grandfathered. The status depends on when the plan was created, not when you joined it.

How to find out if your plan is grandfathered
•
Check your plan's materials: Health plans must disclose if they are grandfathered in all materials describing plan benefits. They must offer contact information.
•
Check with your employer or your health plan's benefits administrator.

What grandfathered plans do and don't have to cover

Here's a quick look at the consumer protections that do and don't apply to grandfathered plans:

All health plans must:
•End lifetime limits on coverage
•End arbitrary cancellations of health coverage
•Cover adult children up to age 26
•Provide a Summary of Benefits and Coverage (SBC), a short, easy-to-understand summary of what a plan covers and costs
•Hold insurance companies accountable to spend your premiums on health care, not administrative costs and bonuses

Grandfathered plans DON'T have to:
•Cover preventive care for free
•Guarantee your right to appeal
•Protect your choice of doctors and access to emergency care
•Be held accountable through Rate Review for excessive premium increases

In addition to the above, grandfathered individual health insurance plans (the kind you buy yourself, not the kind you get from an employer) don't have to:
•End yearly limits on coverage
•Cover you if you have a pre-existing health condition

Note: Some grandfathered plans offer protections they're not required to. Check with your insurance company or benefits administrator to learn if your grandfathered plan offers the rights and protections listed above.

Its up to insurance companies to administer grand fathered plans, so go talk to them about why they lied about not letting you keep what you like.

[speechlesstx]

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-i...d-health-plan/



Its up to insurance companies to administer grand fathered plans, so go talk to them about why they lied about not letting you keep what you like.

And this bears repeating, stop shifting the blame and treating us like fools. They knew most plans would not be grandfathered.

[speechlesstx]

And I might add, the regime's old tactic of intimidation is apparently back.

WH Intimidates Insurance Companies Not to Publicly Criticize Obamacare | The Weekly Standard

[talaniman]

I might point out you are acting loony going back and forth on two threads. Take a break... BREATH!

[speechlesstx]

I might point out you are acting loony going back and forth on two threads. Take a break... BREATH!

It's you repeating the same lies about "grandfathered" plans on two threads, you give it a break.

[tomder55]

The emperor KNEW that ObamaCare would force the withdrawal of millions of insurance plans 3 years ago and still he repeatedly spewed his big lie.

[smoothy]

The emperor KNEW that ObamaCare would force the withdrawal of millions of insurance plans 3 years ago and still he repeatedly spewed his big lie.

Yes, and we were called loons for saying this since the beginning... despite the fact its written into the act that almost all older plans can not be grandfathered...

Just this week have the Drive by media started saying anything about it... its obvious they are as dense as granite because they have been calling everyone liars until now and act like it's a new revelation.

Since the beginning they have been claiming everyone could keep their doctors and insurance just like their handlers told them to.

[Wondergirl]

Since the beginning they have been claiming everyone could keep their doctors and insurance just like their handlers told them to.

I've still got my insurance and doctor. My son, a private payer, does too. No changes at my house.