[smoothy]

It's come to this... 13 months later Chris Matthews wants answers on Benghazi.

Chris Matthews On Benghazi: "Where Were The People That Could Have Come? I'm Going To Ask That Question Until I Get An Answer" | RealClearPolitics

I geuss the days of stiffies around The Messiah are over for him?

[tomder55]

First 60 Minutes woke up this weekend and exposed the lies told by the Obots in the early days of this scandal . Now Chris Matthews doesn't feel that tingly feeling anymore (what took him so long) . Now the official propaganda machine of the regime (NBC ) exposed the emperor's lies about Obamacare... and he just granted an extension which he vowed to do during the time he closed down the government . Emperor not having a good week.

Bob: "Hey Jim, did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?,

Jim: "You mean the Mexican gun running?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean SEAL Team 6?"

Bob: "No, the other one."Jim: "Obama saying the avg family would save $2,500 on their premiums?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Forcing businesses to violate their religious beliefs by paying for drugs that abort the unborn?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Violating the rights and sanctity of our Churches?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Spending $634 million on a website that doesn't work?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Obama calling for an increase in our debt when he lambasted Bush for the very same thing?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Obama having NSA spy on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Saddling our kids with $17 trillion in debt of which they can
never get out of and will not have as good a life as we have?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Bailing out Detroit after decades of corrupt Democratic management?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean voter fraud?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Intentionally trying to hurt Americans during the sequester?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Blocking veterans who secured our freedoms from their monuments
but giving the green light for Illegals to use Monument Mall?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Denying school kids the ability to tour the White House but still spending lavishly on his parties?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean Obama saying we can keep our insurance and doctors if we wanted to?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The NSA monitoring foreign diplomats?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the use of drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million and right after it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?"

Bob: "No the other one:.

Jim: "The IRS targeting conservatives?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The DOJ spying on the press?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean Obama spending $3.7 Trillion on Welfare Over Last 5 Years"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Giving SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Millions of Americans losing their health care coverage?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Forcing Americans to include coverage in their insurance policies of items they do not want?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons, and falsely blaming the sequester?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Denying Arizona the right to protect its borders?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Providing weapons to Syrian rebels many of whom apparently are Al Queda"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The president's repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a

budget no later than the first Monday in February?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The president's unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate's advise-and-consent role?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Clinton, the IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The President using nearly $1 trillion dollars of stimulus money to fund his cronies?"

Bob: "No, the other one"

Jim: "You mean Fast & Furious?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim:

"I give up! ... Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million

low-information voters who don't pay taxes and get free stuff from

taxpayers and stuck us again with the most pandering, corrupt

administration in American history?"

Bob: "THAT'S THE ONE!"

[paraclete]

Sore loser

[tomder55]

The Slimes and David Kirkpatrick have begun their push to promote Evita's run for the White House by rewriting the history of the Benghazi attack . Basically they support all of Evita's lies about the attack being a spontaneous demonstration against a YouTube video ;and that there is no evidence of AQ involvement .
A Deadly Mix in Benghazi - The New York Times

Of course no evidence is presented in the article that leads one to believe that the video had anything to do with the attack. But it's presented as the truth anyway.
If the attack had anything to do with the video ,it is news to Libyan President Mohammed Magarief .
Libyan President: Benghazi Attack Was Pre-Planned | Washington Free Beacon
And the news that there was no AQ involvement must come as a suprise to Evita herself .
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/wo...-in-libya.html

AND ;Kirkpatrick's contentions must come as a suprise to the Slimes ,which reported about AQ affiliates were training and operating in Libya .
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/wo...tack.html?_r=0

[speechlesstx]

But why let the facts get in the way of a coronation?

[tomder55]

Another problem is that the Slimes is still considered a primary source worthy of being archived and filed in the Library of Congress. Historians reseaching Benghazi will probably reference this alleged 'definitive account'.

[excon]

Hello again,

Lemme see. I wonder which one is more credible.... Hmmmm. The New York Times, which has won 112 Pulitzer Prizes, more than any other news organization, or the Washington Free Beacon, a right wing 501(c)4 organization dedicated to exposing the relationship between the progressive movement and the mainstream media???

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

There is NOTHING more that can be said about that.

excon

[tomder55]

So in other words ,the 'Free Beacon' doesn't mask their biases .The Slimes on the other hand pretends to be a gate-keeper of unbiased truth.
Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich. has access to classified briefings and access to the raw intelligence. He disputes Kirkpatrick's assessment . So does Dem. member of the committee Rep. Adam Schiff .Schiff also said on television yesterday that AQ was involved. Schiff went on to say that unlike the Intelligence Committee, the Slimes didn't have access to the things that were said by participants who didn't know they were being listened to.....That the Slimes only had access to people who shape their story to their own interest.

[talaniman]

We may not know everything but broad brushing every terrorist under the AQ label doesn't give us the facts of local group agendas. You may be an affiliated group, but be entirely independent of the main body. That has been what the so called Arab Spring has taught us, when dictators fall, there are many groups who swarm in to seize power in the vacuum that an absence of central authority creates.

Not a smooth transition at all, as what replaces those dictators is in such conflict, and flux. There is no peaceful process or procedure to accomplish this.

[smoothy]

The NY Slimes article even contradicts their own previous articles... obviously all for the purpose of transferring their blissful ignorance of all things wrong about Obama to Hillary, their next Messiah... In the next few months they are going to be writing about how she cured cancer... and dreaming up "accomplisments" that never happened, much less she had any part in.

The National Enquirer has a better record of journalistic accuracy than the NY Times has had in recent years.

[tomder55]

We may not know everything but broad brushing every terrorist under the AQ label doesn't give us the facts of local group agendas. You may be an affiliated group, but be entirely independent of the main body.

Yes I'm aware of the fact that AQ is not as centrally organized as it was .Still it has also been proven that marching orders still come from the Af-Pak region.
In the summer of 2012 US drones killed a high ranking AQ leader, Abu Yahya al-Libi (note the last name... he was a Libyan). An instruction video titled “The Lion of Knowledge and Jihad: Martyrdom of al-Sheikh Abu Yaha al-Libi ,was created by AQ chief Ayman al-Zawahiri calling for retaliation on U.S. facilities in the Middle East . The video confirmed Libi was killed in a drone strike in Waziristan on June 4, 2012, and called for revenge attacks, especially in Libya.
The video was released just days before the 9-11-12 attack on Ambassador Stevens.
So yes there was a video involved in the attack alright. It was the marching orders by al-Zawahiri.

[paraclete]

If US drones and SEAL teams are so good at taking out AQ leaders how come Ayman al-Zawahiri has survived, either Pakistan hides him or he has become invisable or just maybe he isn't there. I would be less concerned about him giving orders and more concerned about where he is, there must be a trail to follow or has the CIA and the NSA settled for spying on world leaders and their own people

[tomder55]

OBL was found a decade after 9-11 living comfortably near the Afghan army HQ . I think that answers your question,

[paraclete]

Wrong country Tom or were you being facitious? Just for reference Pakistan is not Afghanistan, at least, not yet. Abbotabad is in northern Pakistan

[tomder55]

oops haven't had my 2nd cup of coffee yet .

[paraclete]

That will do it

[tomder55]

re : AQ links to the Benghazi attack .here is a UNSC report linking the Muhammad Jamal Network (MJN)to AQ

NARRATIVE SUMMARIES OF REASONS FOR LISTING

QE.M.136.13. MUHAMMAD JAMAL NETWORK (MJN)

Date on which the narrative summary became available on the Committee’s website: 21 October 2013

The Muhammad Jamal Network (MJN) was listed on 21 October 2013 pursuant to paragraphs 2 and 3 of resolution 2083 (2012) as being associated with Al-Qaida for “participating in the financing, planning, facilitating, preparing, or perpetrating of acts or activities by, in conjunction with, under the name of, on behalf of, or in support of”, “supplying, selling or transferring arms and related materiel to”, and “recruiting for; or otherwise supporting acts or activities of” Al-Qaida (QE.A.4.01), Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (QE.A.129.10.) and The Organization of Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (QE.T.14.01.). MJN is controlled by Muhammad Jamal Abd-Al Rahim Ahmad Al-Kashif (QI.A.318.13).

Additional information

Egyptian Muhammad Muhammad Jamal Abd-Al Rahim Ahmad Al-Kashif formed the MJN after his release from prison in 2011 and established multiple terrorist training camps in Egypt and Libya. AQAP (QE.A.129.10.) has provided funding to the MJN.

Muhammad Jamal was most recently arrested by Egyptian authorities in November 2012. His confiscated computer contained letters to Al-Qaida leader Aiman Muhammed Rabi al-Zawahiri (QI.A.6.01.) in which Muhammad Jamal described MJN’s activities as including acquiring weapons, conducting training, and establishing terrorist groups in the Sinai, and in which he asked Al-Zawahiri for assistance. Al-Zawahiri reportedly gave Jamal the go-ahead to launch terrorist attacks in Egypt, Libya, and elsewhere.

Muhammad Jamal has used the Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) network to smuggle fighters into MJN training camps. Suicide bombers are being trained at MJN training camps, and Muhammad Jamal has established links with violent extremists in Europe. Muhammad Jamal set up a training camp in Libya where Libyan and foreign violent extremists were trained. Some of the attackers of the U.S. Mission in Benghazi on 11 September 2012 have been identified as associates of Muhammad Jamal, and some of the Benghazi attackers reportedly trained at MJN camps in Libya.

Before he was arrested in November 2012, Muhammad Jamal was the leader of the Nasr City Cell (the Cell), whose members have been accused of plotting terrorist attacks inside Egypt. Raids against the Cell in October 2012 recovered a large amount of weapons, explosives, and related material.

MJN is connected to Al-Qaida senior leaders, including Aiman al-Zawahiri, and AQAP leaders Nasir ‘abd-al-Karim ‘Abdullah al-Wahishi (QI.A.274.10.) and Qasim Yahya Mahdi al-Rimi (QI.A.282.10.). MJN is also connected to The Organization of Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb.

Related listed individuals and entities

Aiman Muhammed Rabi al-Zawahiri (QI.A.6.01), listed on 25 January 2001
Nasir ‘abd-al-Karim ‘Abdullah al-Wahishi (QI.A.274.10.), listed on 19 January 2010
Qasim Yahya Mahdi al-Rimi (QI.A.282.10.), listed on 11 May 2010
Muhammad Jamal Abd-Al Rahim Ahmad Al-Kashif (QE.A.318.13), listed on 21 October 2013

Al-Qaida (QE.A.4.01.), listed on 6 October 2001
Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (QE.A.129.10.), listed on 19 January 2010
Egyptian Islamic Jihad (QE.A.3.01.), listed on 6 October 2001
The Organization of Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (QE.T.14.01.), listed on 6 October 2001

The Al-Qaida Sanctions Committee

[paraclete]

So the franchise is getting larger

[excon]

Hello again,

[tomder55]

1 . no ambassador was killed
2. no one tried to argue that they were anything but planned and executed attacks.
3.We know as a fact that there were no stand down orders from Washington against attempting a rescue .
4. Bush did not concoct and maintain a fictional reason why the attacks were carried out .Nor did Bush attempt to cover up the facts to the American people ,or to Congress while his staff testified under oath.
Nor did Bush's Sec State repeated those lies to grieving parents.