[talaniman]

The trouble with these anecdotes and stories is we never find out why their old cheap policies don't meet the requirements of the new laws. It's one thing to balk at a higher rate, but not knowing what they like besides the cheap price is important in any judgment of the new law.

Nobody else is curious what kind of coverages those cheap insurances have? If we don't know then its about sticker shock and NOT services. You cannot compare what they had to what they will get without that huge tidbit of information that's mysteriously never divulged.

[speechlesstx]

The trouble with these anecdotes and stories is we never find out why their old cheap policies don't meet the requirements of the new laws. It's one thing to balk at a higher rate, but not knowing what they like besides the cheap price is important in any judgment of the new law.

Nobody else is curious what kind of coverages those cheap insurances have? If we don't know then its about sticker shock and NOT services. You cannot compare what they had to what they will get without that huge tidbit of information that's mysteriously never divulged.

No, the trouble is they liked their insurance, they could afford their insurance, were promised they could keep their insurance, and Obama had forced them to lose their insurance and buy something they didn't want and can't afford.

[tomder55]

it's what the customer wanted... it's called 'choice' .

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

it's what the customer wanted... it's called 'choice' .

I don't have a choice whether I want to buy car insurance.. As a right winger, I'm SURE you support my decision to cancel my polity.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:
I don't have a choice whether I want to buy car insurance.. As a right winger, I'm SURE you support my decision to cancel my polity.

excon

You have a choice to drive or not, this is just another way you lefties punish us for existing.

[talaniman]

No, the trouble is they liked their insurance, they could afford their insurance, were promised they could keep their insurance, and Obama had forced them to lose their insurance and buy something they didn't want and can't afford.

My question was what did they like besides the price? Just curious as to what coverages they get for their cheap insurance. Aren't you?

I mean you can like the price, but never know what you are paying for. Conversely you can hate the price, but need the coverage.

it's what the customer wanted... it's called 'choice' .

Ever hear of you get what you pay for? So educate me and tell me what do you get from cheap insurance besides a cut rate price? I will note the unhappy lawyers in the last anecdote are pregnant and should expect extra costs in not just insurance but in many other areas of costs, like diapers formulae and baby doctors.

That's not wealth redistribution by government. it's the cost of the joy of a life changing event and a choice they made to start a family. It's what they wanted.

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:
I don't have a choice whether I want to buy car insurance.. As a right winger, I'm SURE you support my decision to cancel my polity.

excon

You have a choice about owning a car... also the insurance for autos is to cover damage you do to others . The comprehensive insurance for yourself is voluntary and you do have a choice of the coverage you desire.

[tomder55]

My question was what did they like besides the price? Just curious as to what coverages they get for their cheap insurance. Aren't you?

I mean you can like the price, but never know what you are paying for. Conversely you can hate the price, but need the coverage.



Ever hear of you get what you pay for? So educate me and tell me what do you get from cheap insurance besides a cut rate price? I will note the unhappy lawyers in the last anecdote are pregnant and should expect extra costs in not just insurance but in many other areas of costs, like diapers formulae and baby doctors.

That's not wealth redistribution by government. it's the cost of the joy of a life changing event and a choice they made to start a family. It's what they wanted.

There's lots of BS in the new mandated coverage that I don't want .

[excon]

Hello again, wingers:

You have a choice to drive or not,

So, if I don't wanna drive, I don't HAVE to buy insurance... Got it.

But, I DON'T have a choice about living. Therefore, given your argument, that means I SHOULD be REQUIRED to buy insurance??? Yes??? No???? I can't figure you guys out.

excon

[tomder55]

Hello again, wingers:
So, if I don't wanna drive, I don't HAVE to buy insurance... Got it.

But, I DON'T have a choice about living. Therefore, given your argument, that means I SHOULD be REQUIRED to buy insurance??? Yes??? No???? I can't figure you guys out.

excon

Again ,the mandatory insurance for autos if for damage you do to someone else's property or person. The insurance for personal coverage is completely a matter of choice.

[speechlesstx]

My question was what did they like besides the price? Just curious as to what coverages they get for their cheap insurance. Aren't you?

I mean you can like the price, but never know what you are paying for. Conversely you can hate the price, but need the coverage.

What part of stay out of our lives and don't force us to buy your crap sandwiches don't you understand? You of all people should sympathize with that point.

Ever hear of you get what you pay for? So educate me and tell me what do you get from cheap insurance besides a cut rate price? I will note the unhappy lawyers in the last anecdote are pregnant and should expect extra costs in not just insurance but in many other areas of costs, like diapers formulae and baby doctors.

Ever hear of mind your own business?

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

The insurance for personal coverage is completely a matter of choice.

If the cost of my PERSONAL choice WASN'T passed on to the taxpayers, I'd agree.. However, it impacts my pocketbook, whether he runs into my car, or runs into the ER.

excon

[talaniman]

Again ,the mandatory insurance for autos if for damage you do to someone else's property or person. The insurance for personal coverage is completely a matter of choice.

The cost of health insurance is one of many things that have gone up. Rent, utilities, gas, and groceries, water, and flushing your toilet. They are choices too aren't they? To stabilize any cost you have to have a floor, and a ceiling and work to keep things in a range. You also have to have a priority, and health and associated cost are right up at the top for most families.

Its one of those rather have and not need, than need and not have things. Like toilet paper. You can choose what to wipe your a$$ with and live with the choice you make. Corn cobs will not flush and have crap water all over the bath room.

Corn cobs ain't cheap. Neither are doctor visits. No such thing as live free or die. You pay to live and then you die.

So what does a hundred bucks a month get you as far as health insurance goes?

[speechlesstx]

The cost of health insurance is one of many things that have gone up. Rent, utilities, gas, and groceries, water, and flushing your toilet. They are choices too aren't they? To stabilize any cost you have to have a floor, and a ceiling and work to keep things in a range. You also have to have a priority, and health and associated cost are right up at the top for most families.

Its one of those rather have and not need, than need and not have things. Like toilet paper. You can choose what to wipe your a$$ with and live with the choice you make. Corn cobs will not flush and have crap water all over the bath room.

Corn cobs ain't cheap. Neither are doctor visits. No such thing as live free or die. You pay to live and then you die.

So what does a hundred bucks a month get you as far as health insurance goes?

What part of "affordable", "if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance" and don't force me to buy your crap sandwich don't you get?

[talaniman]

I seem to keep asking questions and getting no answers. If you don't know, you don't know.

Why is ordinary toilet paper more than the colored rolls we use to get? What's a working guy to do when the price of milk goes up, and the paycheck does not.

I know Obama and the liberals did that too? No further questions your Honors. You don't seem to have any answers, so you probably have no solutions. And you question what I get, and don't get?

SAD!

[tomder55]

So what does a hundred bucks a month get you as far as health insurance goes?

Who pays for the balance of the cost of the medical expenses for those who are going to be fined... oops I mean taxed (by the IRS ,which doesn't have the authority to collect the fine except through income tax refunds .) Who pays for your so called single payer alternative ? The same ones evidently who pay for it in the system we had before Obamacare. So how did your incompetent screwing up of a system that most people liked change that equation ?

[speechlesstx]

I don't buy colored TP, it's called choice. Meanwhile, while you're celebrating the demise of the TP, it's not looking too rosy for Dems right now either.

Incoming from Democrats:

"Dem Party is F****d." That was the subject line of an email sent to me Sunday by a senior Democratic consultant with strong ties to the White House and Capitol Hill. The body of the email contained a link to this Los Angeles Times story about Obamacare "sticker shock:"

"These middle-class consumers are staring at hefty increases on their insurance bills as the overhaul remakes the healthcare market. Their rates are rising in large part to help offset the higher costs of covering sicker, poorer people who have been shut out of the system for years."

"Although recent criticism of the healthcare law has focused on website glitches and early enrollment snags, experts say sharp price increases for individual policies have the greatest potential to erode public support for President Obama's signature legislation."


In his story, reporter Chad Terhune also quoted a letter sent to a California insurance company executive. "I was all for Obamacare," wrote a young woman complaining about a 50 percent rate hike related to the health care law, "until I found out I was paying for it."

Also of interest to the Democratic consultant: A Josh Barro column on Obama's promise that "if you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan." It was never a reasonable pledge, Barro argues, and it's being proven false. He called this "a good thing" because "a lot of existing health plans were bad." Reforming the nation's health care system "was necessarily going to have to change a lot of people's health plans," Barro wrote.

The Democratic consultant said none of this is news to him, but he wonders why Obama wasn't honest with Americans. He predicted surprise and outrage over higher costs and lesser coverage. "We will own this problem forever," the Democrat wrote.

[NeedKarma]

"I was all for Obamacare, until I found out I was paying for it."

What? How ignorant is this anonymous person?

[tomder55]

The Democratic consultant said none of this is news to him, but he wonders why Obama wasn't honest with Americans. He predicted surprise and outrage over higher costs and lesser coverage. "We will own this problem forever," the Democrat wrote.

The thing that would be a surprise would be if the emperor was ever honest with us.

[speechlesstx]

What? How ignorant is this anonymous person?

How ignorant are these people that ignored our warnings?