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talaniman · Oct 23, 2013, 11:07 AM

They made requirements and regulations and should have required the Insurance companies to build and maintain the website.

He should have went with the left wingers and cut the middleman out from the get go.

tomder55 · Oct 23, 2013, 11:18 AM

Unbelievable! Even when the insurance companies have nothing to do with the issues related to the launch you still blame them. Incredible denial ! Show me any aspect of the government that they have run better .They have mucked up everything they've touched .

smoothy · Oct 23, 2013, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

They made requirements and regulations and should have required the Insurance companies to build and maintain the website.

He should have went with the left wingers and cut the middleman out from the get go.

Really... which ones would do what part and which contributes how much since there are small companies and there are HUGE companies?

I really hope some prominent left wingers are the first to die because they have needed treatments refused... that previously would have been done without question.

But we know most of them already have illegal exemptions and illegal defferals by Obama.

talaniman · Oct 23, 2013, 11:45 AM

Mike Lee: Man of the people actually isn't one

Booman Tribune ~ A Progressive Community

'Show horse' Lee facing GOP backlash in Utah

He should have followed his daddy back to Texas.

smoothy · Oct 23, 2013, 12:02 PM

Always quoting the DNC proaganda outlets...

Yes the Washington Post and New York Times are part of the DNC Propaganda apparatus.

THey were convinced Obama and the Dems had a mandate ......the 2010 elections proved that wrong.

THe polls that have Obama well withing the margin of error at exactly where Bush was the same time in his second term....

Hell...Obama doesn't even have the majority of the people that voted for him behind him on this. Ony the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe buy his cock and bull stories.

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2013, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

They made requirements and regulations and should have required the Insurance companies to build and maintain the website.

He should have went with the left wingers and cut the middleman out from the get go.

How is it possible that you and other diehards can't seem to find anyone to blame who actually has some responsibility for this fiasco?

talaniman · Oct 23, 2013, 12:32 PM

I laid no blame, just gave my opinion of what I thought my president should have done. What are you even talking about?

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2013, 01:01 PM

You shifted blame away from those responsible in my opinion.

talaniman · Oct 23, 2013, 01:17 PM

Blame? Its only been two/three weeks. I have said the ACA will work, even if the website ain't ready for prime time. Well in some places with or without any help from YOU guys.

Now if you want to switch subjects I am hardly alone in blaming YOU guys for shutting the government down over the ACA. Americans didn't like or appreciate that strategy. YOU Americans did, but WE didn't like it worth a damn. That's just a FACT!

In addition...

Obamacare Popularity Rises in Gallup Poll Despite Technical Difficulties With ACA Website

45 percent of those polled in the mid-October survey stated they approved of the law compared to 50 percent who said they currently disapprove, according to the survey.

"This suggests that the poor performance of the health exchange sites may not at this point be negatively affecting Americans' views of the ACA overall," Gallup researchers said of the survey, which questioned people just days after the partial government shutdown ended.

In contrast back in August, 41 percent expressed support for the ACA while 49 percent did not. As expected, the results of the survey where decidedly spilt among Democrats and Republicans as well as exhibiting a generational divide among young and old.

Who should I blame for this small but significant rise in popularity?

About the source of this article.

Christian news, Christian Post

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2013, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Blame? Its only been two/three weeks. I have said the ACA will work, even if the website ain't ready for prime time. Well in some places with or without any help from YOU guys.

Now if you want to switch subjects I am hardly alone in blaming YOU guys for shutting the government down over the ACA. Americans didn't like or appreciate that strategy. YOU Americans did, but WE didn't like it worth a damn. That's just a FACT!

In addition...

Obamacare Popularity Rises in Gallup Poll Despite Technical Difficulties With ACA Website

Who should I blame for this small but significant rise in popularity?

About the source of this article.

Christian news, Christian Post

So what's affordable about a guy's premiums and deductibles doubling or tripling? And if it's so great why do they have to sell it? I may not like Obamacare, but I'll have to live with it. What I don't like and I've said it from the start is the way they went about it, we didn't want it, it was totally partisan and they've lied to us about it from day one. I don't appreciate the outright lies and total lack of transparency, do you? Why should we be happy about that?

Wondergirl · Oct 23, 2013, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So what's affordable about a guy's premiums and deductibles doubling or tripling?

Have yours?

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2013, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Have yours?

I've answered that many times. I personally don't pay a premium (yet) but my wife does and it remains to be seen what will happen. Too many others have and that's a real issue for working people, and it would seem those who push this fiasco should show as much concern about those affected in this way as I have and would demand some transparency and accountability.

Wondergirl · Oct 23, 2013, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Too many others have

Who?

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2013, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Who?

Read through the threads, I'm not doing the work again.

Wondergirl · Oct 23, 2013, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Read through the threads, I'm not doing the work again.

Oh, those spurious ones. Yeah, I remember.

If anyone got their premiums raised, that's the fault of the insurance companies, probably in the states where the governors refuse to allow Medicaid expansion.

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2013, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Oh, those spurious ones. Yeah, I remember.

If anyone got their premiums raised, that's the fault of the insurance companies, probably in the states where the governors refuse to allow Medicaid expansion.

Spurious? Get real, I wasn't citing Freepers, one of them was your own Tribune.

Wondergirl · Oct 23, 2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Spurious? Get real, I wasn't citing Freepers, one of them was your own Tribune.

Tsk, tsk. Thought you weren't going to "share" again.

Sit tight. Things will all shake out. You will be happy again someday. Maybe Hillary will fix things.

NotUrAverageWG · Oct 23, 2013, 02:48 PM

If you thought Wall St was OOC, hang on it's going to be a bumpy ride in the Health Care Dept. The AHC is affordable for very low income persons and for those who don't get sick or need serious medical attention. Everyone else will find themselves heavily charged for dr appts, hospital care and for not purchasing overpriced health coverage. All those who have a plan from their employer will see the cost of those plans continue to go up without any added benefits. Why? Because the representatives in Washington don't have a clue what life is like for the one income working poor. I am a lifelong Democrat and I am sick of being over taxed under paid and forced to bear the burden of poorly designed bills passed by Congress. If our representatives had to use the services and follow the laws they pass, they would think twice before voting for bills like AHC.

speechlesstx · Oct 23, 2013, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Tsk, tsk. Thought you weren't going to "share" again.

Sit tight. Things will all shake out. You will be happy again someday. Maybe Hillary will fix things.

I said I'm not doing the work, searching for one isn't work.

P.S. as much as the left wishes we would sit down, shut up and trust this regime we refuse. What has the most transparent administration ever done to earn our trust? Also, is the author of this thread giving us a spurious account?

cdad · Oct 23, 2013, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Oh, those spurious ones. Yeah, I remember.

If anyone got their premiums raised, that's the fault of the insurance companies, probably in the states where the governors refuse to allow Medicaid expansion.

Actually that isn't true at all. Many had it raised because of Obamacare and its mandates that are contained in it. And yes I have seen a rise in the plan my company provides and a rise to the direct out of pocket expenses that I will have to pay. There is a wake up call coming soon to many and they don't even realize that it is coming. Many States that have covered those that were denied are now going to kick those people off the State rolls and into the system. No longer will everything be free or close to it and the deductables are going to put many in financial ruin.