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    tomder55 Posts: 1,742, Reputation: 346
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    #501

    Oct 22, 2013, 10:13 AM
    The web site will be the tip of the iceberg once people start seeing their premiums.
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    #502

    Oct 22, 2013, 10:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Yeah, the website sucks.. But, it's gonna get fixed.. Then what are you gonna snivel about?

    Yaaaaaawn.

    excon
    I'm still interested in your response to this post. You know buddy, it doesn't reflect to well on you to be in denial of what everyone else sees, and I for one could not have ever imagined you being OK with this regime's total lack of transparency, incompetence and blatant dishonesty.

    Meanwhile, Jon Stewart isn't in denial... most websites are designed so that it's “nearly impossible to not sign up for something,” there is no way to "spin this turd’.

    But don't worry, the tech surge will be releasing an upgrade soon you can install by following the prompts on 35 floppy disks.

    Bwa ha ha ha!
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    #503

    Oct 22, 2013, 10:35 AM
    Salon.com Exposes Hannity's Lies about Obamacare - Christian Forums

    Originally Posted by jazzflower92 View Post
    Oh, Salon.com they shill anyone who leans left and basically kiss any left wing idea with no hesitation.
    Maybe, but the article is pretty well referenced. You can verify the numbers for yourself, if you like. Also, it highlights the interesting trend of Obamacare detractors who haven't really looked into the issue but just decided beforehand they didn't like it, presumably because it's Obama.
    10 biggest lies spewed by Sean Hannity - Salon.com

    Inside the Fox News lie machine: I fact-checked Sean Hannity on Obamacare - Salon.com

    I don't doubt that these six individuals believe that Obamacare is a disaster; but none of them had even visited the insurance exchange. And some of them appear to have taken actions (Paul Cox, for example) based on a general pessimistic belief about Obamacare. He's certainly entitled to do so, but Hannity is not entitled to point to Paul's behavior as an “Obamacare train wreck story” and maintain any credibility that he might have as a journalist.

    Strangely, the recent shutdown was based almost entirely on a small percentage of Congress's belief that Obamacare, as Ted Cruz puts it, “is destroying America.” Cruz has rarely given us an example of what he's talking about. That's because the best he can do is what Hannity did—exploit people's ignorance and falsely point to imaginary boogeymen.

    Update: To check the plans I used this useful calculator from the Kaiser Family Foundation.
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    Oct 22, 2013, 11:08 AM
    I suppose you actually believe every word that Obama says as well. You do have a permanent purple stain from the koolaid.
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    Oct 22, 2013, 11:10 AM
    But don't worry, the tech surge will be releasing an upgrade soon you can install by following the prompts on 35 floppy disks.

    Bwa ha ha ha!
    The emperor has the "best and the brightest " on the case . For the unititated ,the first time the term "best and brightest " was used in contemporary jargon was the book by David Halberstam about the foreign policy of JFK that led to US involvement in Vietnam. The basic theme of the book is 'smart people too can do stupid things'.
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    Oct 22, 2013, 11:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The emperor has the "best and the brightest " on the case . For the unititated ,the first time the term "best and brightest " was used in contemporary jargon was the book by David Halberstam about the foreign policy of JFK that led to US involvement in Vietnam. The basic theme of the book is 'smart people too can do stupid things'.
    Also... why wasn't the "Best and the Brightest" used to write this in the first place instead of giving more than half a billion dollars to some Canadian Company... who by very definition must be dimwits to begin with if "the Best and the brightest" are going to be called in to fix it.
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    #507

    Oct 22, 2013, 11:17 AM
    The Goracle invented the internet.. Maybe he can solve it .
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    Oct 22, 2013, 11:20 AM
    I'm still interested in your response to this post.
    Hey ,the emperor can make the seas recede . Making insufficient software work should be as simple as a jump shot.
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    #509

    Oct 22, 2013, 11:48 AM
    Since te Messiah is a master of all things (the lefties claimed over and over how he is the smartest man to ever be president)... he should be able to fix it himself in no time.
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    #510

    Oct 22, 2013, 12:12 PM
    Hannity isn't running Obamacare and if you had any sense you'd be concerned about the lies and secrecy from the regime, not a talk show host.
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    #511

    Oct 22, 2013, 01:39 PM
    Little differences between you wingers and Hannity, except he intentionally undermines the truth, and while you talk of websites that aren't working you ignore the ones that do. Such selective cherry picking of facts undermines your own credibility to offer solutions.

    Thus we have you hollering from the position of ignorance and pure laziness and shroud it in principles while denigrating any other possibility. Your resolutions lack substance or policy and the strategy of implementation is worse than the presidents website rollout but somehow you seem to think his deficiencies will hide your own inadequacy.

    No it doesn't. Fact is even though some states are far better than others, in short order we will have state data by which to see the rate of participation even if the feds won't be the initial source. I mean simple logic would tell you that if the state exchanges are working, why would you even be waiting for a government website in the first place? Makes no sense to focus on a website and spread false hoods and not acknowledge that in Kentucky for example, they are signing up folks at a 1000 a day.

    That's not a train wreck, that's a growing success.
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    #512

    Oct 22, 2013, 02:40 PM
    Hello again, Steve:
    You know buddy, it doesn't reflect to well on you to be in denial of what everyone else sees, and I for one could not have ever imagined you being OK with this regime's total lack of transparency, incompetence and blatant dishonesty.
    I think I said the website sucks. Do YOU see something different? Oh, I know that Breitbart, and the Daily Caller, and Hannity TOLD you something different, but that's it. But, those are just more right wingers flapping their gums..

    The only thing you SEE is a broken website.. So do I. Pretty soon, it'll be FIXED, and we'll both see that too.

    NONE of that translates into the right wing garbage you're spewing.

    excon
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    #513

    Oct 22, 2013, 04:28 PM
    I hope you guys buy something that doesn't work 99% of the time... then are told if you give them more money they can fix it for you.


    Since this is exactly what the rest of us are being told by the administration.
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    #514

    Oct 22, 2013, 04:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    I hope you guys buy something that doesn't work 99% of the time.
    I won't have to buy anything. I'm already insured and am keeping what I have.
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    #515

    Oct 22, 2013, 04:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I won't have to buy anything. I'm already insured and am keeping what I have.
    Just wait until they take it away and you have to get a Obamacare policy with a $6,000 or higher annual deductible.
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    #516

    Oct 22, 2013, 04:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Just wait until they take it away and you have to get a Obamacare policy with a $6,000 or higher annual deductible.
    It won't work that way.
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    #517

    Oct 22, 2013, 04:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    It won't work that way.
    Do you really believe that? There are a LOT of employers that have already done exactly that.. and many more that will be doing it soon.

    Not even retirees retirement medical plans are untouchable.

    45 states will see significant cost increases...only 5 will see a decrease.

    http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...insurance-fare
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    #518

    Oct 22, 2013, 05:24 PM
    Smoothy my friend, I love you, but you are either unintentionally lying, or are a loony. I find no evidence that anything you have posted is based in fact. That goes for the rest of my right wing friends also, who post here.

    More over I had no problem setting up an account at the federal website and getting 60 quotes.
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    #519

    Oct 22, 2013, 05:29 PM
    What needs to be recognised is that everything changes, nothing remains the same and I expect this will be your experience with the ACA. Existing policies and costs will change, new policies and costs will change and the only thing you can be certain of is; everything will change
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    #520

    Oct 22, 2013, 05:31 PM
    Clete when you cannot control the changes you have to make a few adjustments, and keep thriving, and surviving..

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