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                      Oct 12, 2013, 01:32 PM
                  
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        Help to put deficit in trial balance
       
                  
        Hi everybody.Could you help a beginner to understand next.
 I want to create a balance sheet and a trial  balance.
 I don’t have any  liabilities, revenues
 Only administrative expenses  = $7 000,00
 OWNER'S EQUITY   =    $10 000,00
 
 
 My income statement
 
 Revenues                          0
 Total revenues                0
 Expenses                      7 000,00
 Total expenses   7 000,00
 
 Net income**             - 7 000,00
 
 Then for a balance sheet
 
 
 Beginning owner's equity       0
 +Owner's investment             10 000,00
 + Net income**                      -7 000,00
 Subtotal                                      3 000,00
 -drawing                                       0
 Ending owner's equity                3 000,00
 
 And a Balance sheet
 
 ASSETS
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 Cash			3 000,00
 
 TOTAL ASSETS          3000,00
 
 LIABILITIES                      0
 TOTAL LIABILITIES         0
 
 Paid-In Capital                  10000,00
 
 Retained Earnings              - 7 000,00
 
 Total Equity                          3 000,00
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 TOTAL LIABILITIES & OWNER EQUITY 3 000,00
 
 How and where (debit or credit) should I  show Retained Earnings - 7 000,00 in Trial balance
 I did in this way but not sure that I am correct.
 Could you help me to understand this
 
 DEBIT
 
 Cash 3000,00
 Expenses 7 000, 00
 Retained Earnings  Deficit (7000,00)
 
 Total DEBIT 3 000.00
 
 
 СREDIT
 
 Owner Capital                          3 000,00
 
 Total CREDIT  3 000.00
 
 or how, why and where I should put this deficit in the trail balance?
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                      Oct 13, 2013, 12:27 AM
                  
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        You do not need to put deficit on the trial balance, it will showCash 3,000
 Exps  7,000
 
 Capital 10,000
 
 Balance sheet:
 Cash 3,000
 Equity 3,000
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                      Oct 13, 2013, 12:58 AM
                  
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					  Originally Posted by rehmanvohra   You do not need to put deficit on the trial balance, it will showCash 3,000
 Exps  7,000
 
 Capital 10,000
 
 Balance sheet:
 Cash 3,000
 Equity 3,000
 Thank you very much for your answer. 
It was my first time I did it. 
First I did it as you said,  but then I found the form of the balance sheet that contained  not  only the account Equity but  these fields
 
Paid-In Capital
 
Retained Earnings 
 
Total Equity 
 
I decided to make it more detailed (I read about this  account Retained Earnings and there was a definition that if it has a negative (debit) balance it calls a deficit  ) 
So I put the data in these 3 fields in the Balance sheet and it lloked logical and fine, but THEN I have found the form of  a Trial balance that contained account Retained Earnings too.  
Only on  Credit side . 
S even now I don't understand why I can not show this data - 7000.00 in this field. 
In fact I I have this Account and it has such negative  balance so it requires (only how?) me to show it in Trial balance or I am wrong?  
I see that the sum of this Account equals Expenses and maybe that is why I should not show it . But for what cases they included this field in the form of Trail balance.
 
Could you help me understand it completely? 
+  please ,сould you suggest the nice source that shows all aspects (steps) of creating first trial balance then balance sheet.
 
Thank you very much
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                      Oct 13, 2013, 06:10 AM
                  
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        Trial balance is a list of balances appearing in the general ledger. According to your question a trial balance will show:DEBITS
 Cash 3,000
 Expenses 7,000
 Total 10,000
 CREDITS
 Paid in capital 10,000
 Retained earnings 0
 Total 10,000
 
 After preparing a trail balance you would first prepare an income statement, as follows:
 Revenues 0
 Expenses 7,000
 Deficit 7,000
 
 Now you prepare a balance sheet
 Assets
 Cash 3,000
 Total 3,000
 Liabilities and equity
 Liabilities 0
 Equity
 Paid in capital 10,000
 Retained earnings (7,000)
 Total 3,000
 
 I do not know which text you are studying from, but I can suggest following website:
 
 If you need powerpoint slides to make your life easier, please send me your email address.
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                      Oct 13, 2013, 06:42 AM
                  
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                      Oct 13, 2013, 07:59 AM
                  
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					  Originally Posted by rehmanvohra   Thank you very much for your answers + source. 
It really helped.
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                      Oct 13, 2013, 08:00 AM
                  
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					  Originally Posted by rehmanvohra   Trial balance is a list of balances appearing in the general ledger. According to your question a trial balance will show:DEBITS
 Cash 3,000
 Expenses 7,000
 Total 10,000
 CREDITS
 Paid in capital 10,000
 Retained earnings 0
 Total 10,000
 
 After preparing a trail balance you would first prepare an income statement, as follows:
 Revenues 0
 Expenses 7,000
 Deficit 7,000
 
 Now you prepare a balance sheet
 Assets
 Cash 3,000
 Total 3,000
 Liabilities and equity
 Liabilities 0
 Equity
 Paid in capital 10,000
 Retained earnings (7,000)
 Total 3,000
 
 I do not know which text you are studying from, but I can suggest following website:
 
 If you need powerpoint slides to make your life easier, please send me your email address.
 Thank you very much.
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                      Oct 13, 2013, 08:11 AM
                  
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        DEBITSCash 3,000
 Expenses 7,000
 Total 10,000
 CREDITS
 Paid in capital 10,000
 Retained earnings 0
 Total 10,000
 
 I see you put Retained earnings 0
 Сould you tell me When it is not 0.?
 And I uderstood you correct these Retained earnings are always different for Trail Balance and Balance sheet?
 
 It is confusing in the next
 It Trial balance we put it as a 0
 but in Balane sheet we put the sum from Income statement.
 When it contains some values in Trial balance?
 
 
 Thank you very much
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                      Oct 20, 2013, 09:28 PM
                  
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        In the trial balance your debits equal 10,000 so your credits must equal 10,000
 When you prepare an income statement your debits and credits will not equal, and the difference will be net income.
 
 When you prepare the balance sheet the debits and credits will not be equal, and your difference will be net income from the income statement.
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