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talaniman · Oct 4, 2013, 01:52 PM

My whole point is the government never should have been shut down over this zeal of defunding/repealing Obama Care. It's a poor excuse considering ALL the lives affected by this action. Now if you don't see that then you have no empathy for the innocent people around the country who pay the price for right wing desperation.

tomder55 · Oct 4, 2013, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

My whole point is the government never should have been shut down over this zeal of defunding/repealing Obama Care. Its a poor excuse considering ALL the lives affected by this action. Now if you don't see that then you have no empathy for the innocent people around the country who pay the price for right wing desperation.

And you have no empathy for the people you are inflicting Obamacare on .

tomder55 · Oct 4, 2013, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by cdad

They seem to take his word as gospel rather then looking it up or being concerned about what is really going on. Do you actually beleive with all the evidence in question and that has been presented that Bengasi was because of a video and what does it matter anyway? You know it was BS that was fed to his sheeple and they ate the slop like it was manna from heaven. According to Obama debt doesnt matter so why worry about it right?

Good point . The emperor doesn't give a rat's behind about debt as he plunges the nation over the abyss.

excon · Oct 4, 2013, 02:01 PM

Hello tom:

and you have no empathy for the people you are inflicting Obamacare on

I do... At least as much as I have for those whom we inflicted Medicare on.. I feel bad for those for who have to suffer through the GI Bill too.

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

Excon

talaniman · Oct 4, 2013, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

and you have no empathy for the people you are inflicting Obamacare on .

We will have to see how many signup for this infliction. But more than 70% of the country is against a shutdown, and more people believe it's the republicans fault. We will see.

cdad · Oct 4, 2013, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

We will have to see how many signup for this infliction. But more than 70% of the country is against a shutdown, and more people believe its the republicans fault. We will see.

Not many if they are poor and struggling paycheck to paycheck. How do you expect them to pay for the mandatory healthcare? Don't bother mentioning subsidies. They don't kick in until you have already begun to pay for it. So how are you going to tell these people they can have it their way? It's the government not burger king!!

Just because Obama says so doesn't make it true nor does it deal with the realities that normal people have to face on a daily basis.

Wondergirl · Oct 4, 2013, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by cdad

Not many if they are poor and struggling paycheck to paycheck. How do you expect them to pay for the mandatory healthcare?

Yeah I read that only three people have signed up so far. Or was it more than that?

smoothy · Oct 4, 2013, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Yeah I read that only three people have signed up so far. Or was it more than that?

Five tried... but two of them couldn't navigate the monstrosity.

talaniman · Oct 4, 2013, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

and you have no empathy for the people you are inflicting Obamacare on .

As I remember right, during and before the 2012 campaign, you advocated for the poor to pay their fair share of taxes and how it wasn't right the 47% paid no taxes, so now all of a sudden you have empathy and they shouldn't pay for health insurance, which you have said is a tax.

Even Smoothy rails against free stuff for poor people, yet now they have to be responsible for their own health, he found some empathy too, and thinks its so unfair they have to pay something for their own benefit.

Seems to me, to be consistent with your own stated positions, Obama Care would be right up both your alleys, or the empathy is a contrived one to bolster your own rant against the evils of progressive policy, and liberal thinking even though you have been delivered the very thing you have pushed so hard for, and loudly for... personal responsibility and the poor paying for their own stuff.

smoothy · Oct 4, 2013, 08:12 PM

Its not "fair" because the lazy will eventually be subsidized by those who worked hard to get ahead.

Fair means they pay the SAME price anyone else in their category pays regardless of income.

If you went to the store to buy a gallon of milk... why should the price you pay for it be determined by your income level? Where one person pays ten times more for it than another person.. while another gets it for free?

tomder55 · Oct 5, 2013, 01:58 AM

Lol as if the poor will be charged at all. Give it up Tal. Currently there is no verification mechanism at all for the subsidies for people applying in the exchanges. Yet your side is still hell bent to go full steam ahead with this knowing the system isn't close to being properly managed .
I'll say it again... you have no empathy for the people you are inflicting Obamacare on . I'm not talking just about the poor although they too will be adversely affected by this poorly conceived entitlement .No I'm talking about the rest of the country .

tomder55 · Oct 5, 2013, 02:24 AM

As few as 1 in 100 applications on the federal exchange contains enough information to enroll the applicant in a plan, several insurance industry sources told CNBC on Friday. Some of the problems involve how the exchange's software collects and verifies an applicant's data.

"It is extraordinary that these systems weren't ready," said Sumit Nijhawan, CEO of Infogix, which handles data integrity issues for major insurers including WellPoint and Cigna, as well as multiple Blue Cross Blue Shield affiliates.

Experts said that if Healthcare.gov's success rate doesn't improve within the next month or so, federal officials could face a situation in January in which relatively large numbers of people believe they have coverage starting that month, but whose enrollment applications are have not been processed.
"It could be public relations nightmare," said Nijhawan. Insurers have told his company that just "1 in 100" enrollment applicants being sent from the federal marketplace have provided sufficient, verified information.

Most Obamacare enrollment applications flawed

"This is not a traffic issue," Mendelson said. "Right now, the systems aren't working."

paraclete · Oct 5, 2013, 04:48 PM

When a simple solution is needed you can be assured that a complicated solution will be implemented

smoothy · Oct 6, 2013, 08:05 PM

Hey... its another example of the Government doing what the government does best... taking something the simply works well... and screwing it up beyond all recognition...

FUBAR was a term coined for use on things like this many decades ago.

tomder55 · Oct 7, 2013, 04:49 AM

yeah but even Apple has FUBARS ...right ?

Tell me where the mandate is for me to purchase an Apple product.

NeedKarma · Oct 7, 2013, 05:51 AM

Wow tom, that's a great argument.

excon · Oct 7, 2013, 06:25 AM

Hello tom:

tell me where the mandate is for me to purchase an Apple product.

Screw the iPhone.. Let's talk about the mandate on you to BUY a firetruck...

You don't deny that you own a piece of a firetruck, do you? You don't deny that you're FORCED to pay for it, do you?

Nuff said.

Excon

speechlesstx · Oct 7, 2013, 06:42 AM

Screw the iPhone.. Let's talk about the mandate on you to BUY a firetruck...

You don't deny that you own a piece of a firetruck, do you? You don't deny that you're FORCED to pay for it, do you?

Nuff said.

Wow, now there's a rational argument. FYI, not every community has a fire truck and thousands are all volunteer - no one is forcing anyone to buy a fire truck in such places.

excon · Oct 7, 2013, 06:52 AM

Hello again, Steve:

FYI, not every community has a fire truck and thousands are all volunteer -

Really? What do these volunteers USE to fight these fires?? Buckets?? Do the volunteers bring their OWN, or does your community supply them? Alrighty, then. You own some buckets.

Yes, Steve. EVERY community owns a fire truck, and a school bus, and police cars. And, YOU pay for them whether you LIKE it or not. It's MANDATED.

Besides... Aren't YOU a guy who supports our Constitution?? SCOTUS says the mandate is Constitutional? Or do you Pick which parts of the Constitution you support??

Excon

talaniman · Oct 7, 2013, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

yeah but even Apple has FUBARS ...right ?

tell me where the mandate is for me to purchase an Apple product.

Show me where I have to pay the costs of you NOT buying an Apple product, and I will show you the cost of paying for the emergency room visit you make with no insurance.

No wonder we have this conflict, you don't know apples from oranges and think it's the same thing. Look closer and see the differences. Taste it if you have too, or smell it.

Let me know what you find out, and don't be stubborn. You have insurance, you don't have a mandate.