[excon]

Hello again, smoothy:

Individual responsibility is also not having six kids if you can only support one on your income.

[smoothy]

Killing a fetus is murder...


Don't believe me... assault a pregnant woman... and see how you get charged if she loses the baby.

[Wondergirl]

I figured it was your son... but I wanted to leave it up to you if you wanted to reveal that or not.

We'll work out something for him. His grandmother left money for him and his brother.

In many places MOST of the people living on the streets fit the mentally ill description...

If they have family willing and able to care for them... great... but what happens if they don't... there are no institutions any more unless they are proven to be a danger, and that's usually AFTER something happens... so they end up on the streets where it does nobody any good.

We had our usual homeless crowd at the library every day. Some were medicated, and others were not. All were well behaved (except for the woman who would strip naked in the ladies washroom to sponge bathe). Some went to shelters at night (where your stuff could get stolen), and others hung out at all-night fast-food places. As long as they ordered something and behaved, they could sit there and even nod off. Most had no families, or at least families who wanted nothing to do with them. I remember only one who got any government assistance (he had to somehow get to an office to pick up his check, had no residence to send it to). The rest depended on handouts.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, smoothy:

Still playing that merit-less nonsense I see.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Still playing that merit-less nonsense I see.

Well, I'm bored, and he IS an easy target, after all.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Kalifornia had problems with its exchanges - just like everyone else. It's just all those darn people so excited to sign up their servers couldn't handle the traffic you know.

California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch

California's health insurance exchange vastly overstated the number of online hits it received Tuesday during the rollout of Obamacare.

State officials said the Covered California website got 645,000 hits during the first day of enrollment, far fewer than the 5 million it reported Tuesday.

The state exchange had cited the 5 million figure as a sign of strong consumer interest and a major reason people had so much difficulty using its $313-million online enrollment system.

5 million - 645,000, numbers are difficult things.

[talaniman]

Numbers are difficult aren't they. Well we know you guys don't have the numbers to repeal, or stop the ACA. And if the full house voted, you probably don't have the votes to keep the government shut down.

[J_9]

How many welfare people have six kids, or even kids at all?

I'm going to admit that I didn't go back and read it all, but this one just made my chin drop. I think I broke it and will need to go to the ER.

Let's see, without violating HIPAA... I know of one gal who is on welfare and she has 9 children by 5 different men. Another who is mentally disabled currently has 4. During her last labor her Aunt was talking with other family members about who they could get to father her next child so that they could get another check. Since the mother is disabled and gets a disability check, so does that child. Multiply that check by how many children she has. Don't forget to increase the value of the monthly food stamps.

Another comes to the hospital about 45 minutes after each shift change at least 5 times a week, sometimes 2 or 3 times in a 24-hour period. Usually by ambulance with an entourage of about 20 people following in their own vehicles. Typically it's because she got into a fight with the father of her baby and wants the attention.

Who pays those bills? We do, of course. If these people had to pay for the ambulance or, at minimum, a co-pay of, say, $5 - $20 per visit, then we would see less of them.

Another from the ER is 16 and has visited us 120 times this year alone. Yes, I said 120 times and it's only October 3. She claims to have seizures, yet none are documented. EEG (Electroencephalographs are negative for seizure disorder, CT scans are negative) and her visit always occurs during, or after, an argument with her mother.

I could go on and on and on. The guy with the Hep C who get's blood transfusions in the ER because he refuses to quit drinking and has no primary care physician. Oh, speaking of PCP's. Do you have a clue how many PCP's have stopped admitting to hospitals and are now giving their patients over to hospitalists? Not a promising trend.

Now, if we held these people accountable, maybe we would see a decrease in hospitalizations, whether it be inpatient, observation, or labor and delivery. The problem with the system is that we ALLOW this to happen without any consequences.

[J_9]

Now I will go over and read back.

[J_9]

How do you know this? Where do these people live?

I know this because I live it. I see it every time I go to work. Read my post above.

Where do they live? Usually in the urban settings. Inner cities, but even in rural towns like mine. Just delivered a woman's 17th child, she never worked a day in her life and her husband had "meth mouth."

[J_9]

If they are mentally ill... why are they not in an institution?

Now that one just pi$$ed me off to no end. My father was mentally ill and took 25 pills a day, but lived a stable life. He even had electric shock therapy some 25+ years before he died. Why should he be in an "institution?" He wasn't a blithering idiot who shat his pants to get attention. He was a depressed person caused by a childhood of mental, emotional and physical abuse.

My brother-in-law is mentally challenged. He's 53 years old, has the memory of an elephant but will argue with my 11 year old. Should he be institutionalized? We aren't living in the dark ages, Smoothy.

[speechlesstx]

The Obamacare national hotline number is 1-800-318-2596. Leave out the 1 which has no letter value and this is what you get.

1-800-3(F) 8(U) 2(C) 5(K) 9(Y) 6(O).

[J_9]

why are they not in an institution?

Back to institutions. There are few state run institutions these days. Most are for-profit only. They will not accept people who do not have private insurance and they will not accept people who have medical illnesses along with mental illness. If you are medically unstable they will not accept you. If you don't have private insurance, they will not accept you. Co-morbidity is not cohesive with mental illness these days.

[J_9]

Did I miss it or did anyone bring up the 28th Amendment to the Constitution?

[tomder55]

J-9 are you talking about the proposed one that says Congress can't exempt the members of the Federal government from the laws they pass ? Sign me up.
You may want to read Mark Levin's new book... 'The Liberty Amendments ' . He proposes many such amendments to restore the nation to a constitutional republic.

[excon]

Hello J:

The 28th?? Nahhh.. Nobody brought it up. What does it say, if anything?

excon

[J_9]

Gimme a break here. Been up over 24 hours, but this is what I found.

"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States".

[excon]

Hello J:

Well, it AIN'T an amendment, but if it was, I'd vote for it.

excon

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

1-800-3(F) 8(U) 2(C) 5(K) 9(Y) 6(O).

If they'd do that, they'd put death panels in there...

You're silly.

Excon

[J_9]

You may want to read Mark Levin's new book

I've got it on order for Hubby's birthday. I've never been into politics until my hours at work went from 48 per week to 24 and I am the sole provider in a household of 4 paying for a college tuition for 1.

Not only are my hours decreasing, but the cost of my benefits are increasing. I was breaking even, last year.