[excon]

Hello again, tom:

the entitlement state will collapse from the weight of the obligations shortly

As I suspected, it's NOT death panels... It's NOT mandates.. It's NOT ANY of that stuff you say it is.. It's that you think it'll work. And, it will.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

So is there anything wrong with Obamacare other than it isn't single payer?

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:
As I suspected, it's NOT death panels... It's NOT mandates.. It's NOT ANY of that stuff you say it is.. It's that you think it'll work. And, it will.

excon

How do you read into my comment that I think it will work ? I was addressing NK's irrelevant observation specifically .

[NeedKarma]

NK's irrelevant observation

How is it irrelevant to show that something which you deride seems to be the norm elsewhere? Is it because you don't want to hear that?

[paraclete]

How is it irrelevant to show that something which you deride seems to be the norm elsewhere? Is it because you don't want to hear that?

Of course they don't want to hear it NK, you know they are never wrong, well almost never. It's the not made here syndrome, if they had thought of it they would have been early adopters

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

So is there anything wrong with Obamacare other than it isn't single payer?

Not being single payer isn't something wrong with Obamacare. It's the mistake congress made. So, I'm not going to criticize it because it doesn't fit my druthers.

Let me take an honest look at it. Of course, if I'm going to be honest, I won't talk about death panels.. I won't talk about train wrecks.. I won't talk about bankrupting the nation. That's because NONE of those things are true.

Is there anything wrong with giving poor people health coverage for the first time in their lives? No.

Is there anything wrong with stopping insurance companies from denying coverage because of a pre-existing condition? No.

Is there anything wrong with children being allowed to stay on their parents health plan until they're 26? No.

Is there anything wrong with requiring insurance companies to spend 80% of their income on health care? No.

Is there anything wrong with requiring EVERYBODY to buy health insurance? No.

Is there anything wrong with wealthy and middle class persons insurance premium going up? No.

Is there anything wrong with people NOT going bankrupt because of medical bills? No.

Am I missing anything?

Excon

[smoothy]

There is something wrong when one group gets a free ride via the virtual mugging of another group.

[talaniman]

Yeah, you forgot something. Insurance companies cannot cap your coverage and dump you after spending a set amount.

No co pays for preventive maintenance doctor visits, routine and regular check ups to the peanut gallery.

[talaniman]

There is something wrong when one group gets a free ride via the virtual mugging of another group.

I agree and that's what the uninsured are getting off the dime of the tax payer. You righty hypocrites are always hollering about personal responsibility, now we have it. Still you holler.

[smoothy]

I agree and that's what the uninsured are getting off the dime of the tax payer. You righty hypocrites are always hollering about personal responsibility, now we have it. Still you holler.

And the fact remains... those of us who actually have jobs we worked hard to get are going to have to pay even more for our insurance to cover the lazy and the financially irresponsible... while all of the other programs they were previously leaching off still remain and continue to cost us money.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve: Not being single payer isn't something wrong with Obamacare. It's the mistake congress made. So, I'm not gonna criticize it because it doesn't fit my druthers.

Lemme take an honest look at it. Of course, if I'm gonna be honest, I won't talk about death panels.. I won't talk about train wrecks.. I won't talk about bankrupting the nation. That's because NONE of those things are true.

Is there anything wrong with giving poor people health coverage for the first time in their lives?? No.

Is there anything wrong with stopping insurance companies from denying coverage because of a pre-existing condition? No.

Is there anything wrong with children being allowed to stay on their parents health plan til they're 26? No.

Is there anything wrong with requiring insurance companies to spend 80% of their income on health care? No.

Is there anything wrong with requiring EVERYBODY to buy health insurance? No.

Is there anything wrong with wealthy and middle class persons insurance premium going up? No.

Is there anything wrong with people NOT going bankrupt because of medical bills? No.

Am I missing anything?

excon

Yes, you're missing the answer to my question.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, you're missing the answer to my question.

Well, let's rectify that.

Is there anything wrong with Obamacare, you asked...

Yes.

Excon

[tomder55]

of course they don't want to hear it NK, you know they are never wrong, well almost never. It's the not made here syndrome, if they had thought of it they would have been early adopters

No ;it's just that I don't care what the rest of the world does. They are bankrupting their countries faster than we are ;but we are on the same track to the same result.
Here is a leader that gets it .

The King of the Netherlands has informed his country that their welfare state is finished.

King Willem-Alexander, alongside his wife, Queen Maxima, told the Dutch people that they must create their own social and financial safety nets, and that looking to the state for help was a thing of the 20th century.

Dutch king declares end of the welfare state | euronews, world news

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:
Well, let's rectify that.

Is there anything wrong with Obamacare, you asked...

Yes.

excon

Care to expand on that? I'm giving you your shot to be honest about it.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Care to expand on that? I'm giving you your shot to be honest about it.

I thought I was. Besides, you told me I couldn't list what it wasn't. If I wasn't under such restrictions, I'd complain that it wasn't Medicare for all.

BECAUSE it isn't Medicare for all, I don't like all the kickbacks, and deals they made with all the players to get them to go along. But, making law is like making sausage.. It's pretty ugly.

Since Medicare for all could be written on one page, I don't like that the sausage making took up 1200 pages.

I DON'T like that, as a member of the middle class, MY costs will go up to pay for it... But, I'm MORE than willing to do it for the reasons above. I think THIS is major difference between us.

Now, if there really ARE death panels, then it should be sh!tcanned. If it's going to bankrupt the nation, it should be discarded. If it's a trainwreck, then it should be repealed.. But, I don't BELIEVE any of that.

Of course, it's big, comprehensive, and some parts may not work like the authors thought it would, and I've spoken about tweaking it. But, in the main, it looks like it's going to DO the job it was intended to do.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

That's a pretty rosy prediction. How many of those youngun's are going to bypass buying a policy and just fork over the $95 penalty?

[talaniman]

Of course, it's big, comprehensive, and some parts may not work like the authors thought it would, and I've spoken about tweaking it. But, in the main, it looks like it's going to DO the job it was intended to do.

excon

That's what they are afraid of. It will work and work well and make them look like loud mouth idiots.

LOL, can you imagine winning the house and senate in 2014, and the presidency in 2016, and can't bullsh1t the people about repealing Medicare, Social Security, OR Obama Care? Well repeal is their whole campaign. What else can Cruz run on?

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

How many of those youngun's are going to bypass buying a policy and just fork over the $95 penalty?

I don't know. I'm not an actuary. But, actuary's who work for insurance companies think they'll be enough, and they think they'll be profitable too. Otherwise, they wouldn't be offering 'em for sale.

But, that IS the question. When I was a young'un, I was covered by my employer, and when I wasn't working, I WORRIED a lot about what could happen to me. If CHEAP insurance would have been available to me during those times, I wouda bought it. Now, I'm a guy who's driven without car insurance when I couldn't afford it. But, I had no assets and nothing to lose, and car insurance didn't protect ME anyway.. It protected the OTHER guy.

But, if I didn't have health insurance, I'M the only loser.

Speaking about losing because you don't have health insurance, what do you think about the ads running by right wingers, trying to tell YOUNG people NOT to get it?? I think it's despicable, cruel, and par for the course.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Speaking about losing because you don't have health insurance, what do you think about the adds running by right wingers, trying to tell YOUNG people NOT to get it???? I think it's despicable, cruel, and par for the course.

excon

I have no idea what you're referring to.

[tomder55]

I know members of Congress and the Senate are telling staffers not to sign on because an exemption is pending .