[Wondergirl]

forces the employee to deal with the exchanges.

Like going from company pensions (that disappear) to 401(k)s. And the employee has control.

[speechlesstx]

Like going from company pensions (that disappear) to 401(k)s. And the employee has control.

You must think it's going to be a breeze, that's why they hired all those navigators, eh?

[smoothy]

I've spent most of the last 30 years dealing with the governmen... one thing I've learned is never underestimate their capacity to screw something up...

Because a chain is only as strong as its weakest link... and thanks to affirmative action and preffered hiring practices... most government employees are weak links.

[talaniman]

I would point out a bunch of interesting developments and reports about rising costs and such but you guys wouldn't care, so never mind.

I have been talking about rising costs that go back decades, now all of a sudden you are worried about the ones that are happening now?

Like going from company pensions (that disappear) to 401(k)s. And the employee has control.

401K's that are subject to market forces. Only good to the next crash.

[speechlesstx]

I have been talking about rising costs that go back decades, now all of a sudden you are worried about the ones that are happening now?

You libs, always assuming that things unsaid are a valid argument.

What in the world makes you think I wouldn't be concerned about rising costs? Only liberals want prices to "necessarily skyrocket".

[Wondergirl]

401K's that are subject to market forces. Only good to the next crash.

And be able to roll your 401(k) into some other investment. OR be like my sis and her husband who worked for Kodak for 30+ years and looked forward to a nice pension. Guess where that went...

[talaniman]

That's business that's skyrocketing the prices. Not liberals.

[tomder55]

I have been talking about rising costs that go back decades, now all of a sudden you are worried about the ones that are happening now?



401K's that are subject to market forces. Only good to the next crash.

401 K was the best thing that happened to my retirement portfolio. I'm doing much better than when the company had my pension in a trust fund.

[speechlesstx]

That's business that's skyrocketing the prices. Not liberals.

Yeah, you still think it's greed and think it has nothing to do with the burdensome taxes and regulations you force on them, who then pass the cost to the consumer. It's not rocket science tal, whatever cost of compliance you force on business always gets passed on to the consumer. Duh.

[smoothy]

We all see how well the Government has handled the Social Security trust fund they have claimed was there for decades...

[Wondergirl]

burdensome taxes and regulations

Huh? Which ones? Nothing new that I've heard of. Same as when Republicans were in charge.

[talaniman]

Yeah, you still think it's greed and think it has nothing to do with the burdensome taxes and regulations you force on them, who then pass the cost to the consumer. It's not rocket science tal, whatever cost of compliance you force on business always gets passed on to the consumer. Duh.

That was a business practice before Obama, DUH. Consumers always bear the brunt of the costs and none of the profits. Funny. You act like you aren't a consumer like the rest of us.

[smoothy]

I guess its better that 90 million fewer people actually have jobs thanks to Obamas practices. Than had jobs when Bush was in office.

I guess the goal of the left is to increace that to 355 million.

[speechlesstx]

That was a business practice before Obama, DUH. Consumers always bear the brunt of the costs and none of the profits. Funny. You act like you aren't a consumer like the rest of us.

I swear, it's like walking into an Orwell novel every day...

[tomder55]

Everybody who dislikes ObamaCare is being duped by GOP propaganda, says President Obama. That must include all those unions calling it a disaster, and all those who've lost jobs and pay because of the law.

Telemundo, the only news outlet that appears willing to ask Obama a tough question, pressed him this week about polls showing most Americans oppose ObamaCare. "Is everybody wrong?" the host asked.

"Yes, they are," Obama responded. The problem, he said, isn't his law. It's those evil Republicans who've spent "billions of dollars ... misinforming people."

Let's leave aside the fact that the Obama administration has spent a king's ransom promoting ObamaCare, and that Democrats and the liberal press have devoted three years to extolling its alleged virtues, and the fact that the public never supported this law to begin with.

Truth is, ObamaCare is a rolling disaster that is creating new enemies every day as its harmful effects ripple through the economy.

This week, the prestigious Cleveland Clinic announced plans to lay off as many as 3,000 workers "to prepare for health care reform." And hundreds of franchise owners came to Washington to explain how ObamaCare's employer mandate will force many of them to cut worker hours to avoid its massive costs.

Last week, Connecticut's Lawrence and Memorial Hospital cut dozens of jobs, citing "massive structural change" brought on by ObamaCare. More than a dozen other hospitals have recently announced job cuts.

That same week, the AFL-CIO voted overwhelmingly for a resolution calling ObamaCare "highly disruptive," despite concerted efforts on the part of the White House to convince labor leaders not to do so.

Other unions have been far less polite.

Then there are the jobs killed by ObamaCare's excise tax on medical devices. Last fall, device maker Stryker Corp. laid off 1,170 workers because of that tax — which both Democrats and the GOP are now trying to repeal.

IBD has been cataloguing businesses, public institutions and local governments that have cut jobs or worker hours specifically citing ObamaCare. That list is now more than 250.

Other companies are cutting benefits for part-time workers, spouses, early retirees or their entire workforce, because of ObamaCare. Every one of those workers has a good reason to want the law killed.

On top of this, the public may be noticing the growing pile of ObamaCare's broken promises. Among them:

• Family premiums haven't gone down by $2,500 annually, as Obama repeatedly said they would. They've gone up $2,976.

• Workers are increasingly finding that they can't keep the health plans they like, despite Obama's pledge that they can.

• ObamaCare is adding to federal budget deficits, as IBD recently reported, even though Obama claimed it would cut red ink.

• The law is hurting small businesses, not helping them.

The public even might have noticed that Obama himself has shown the law to be seriously flawed.

According to the Congressional Research Service, he repealed, changed or delayed pieces of ObamaCare 19 times. That includes the employer mandate, the verification rules, the limit on out-of-pocket costs, and the ability for workers at small companies to have a choice of plans in the exchanges.

None of this has anything to do with Republican propaganda.

Neither is Obama's oft-repeated claim true that Republicans have no alternative to ObamaCare. This week, conservative lawmakers introduced a package of reforms they've long advocated that would cut health costs, make insurance more affordable and protect those with pre-existing conditions.

The public's dislike of ObamaCare is real, and it is well-deserved. Now it's up to Republicans to seize on this and stop the law before it can live down to their expectations.

Sorry, Obama, Americans Are Right to Oppose ObamaCare - Investors.com

[speechlesstx]

And that's what baffles me about the true believers, in spite of all of the reports detailing what a clusterfark is been so far they insist is all propaganda. Ask those 3000 clinic workers that last their jobs, the unions and business owners if it's just propaganda. It's reality to them. Or just ask why the people that wrote the law don't want to be a part of it if it's so great.

[smoothy]

The same type of mentality persisted in Jonestown... we know how that ended too.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Telemundo, the only news outlet that appears willing to ask Obama a tough question, pressed him this week about polls showing most Americans oppose ObamaCare. "Is everybody wrong?" the host asked.

"Yes, they are," Obama responded. The problem, he said, isn't his law. It's those evil Republicans who've spent "billions of dollars ... misinforming people."

Let's leave aside the fact that the Obama administration has spent a king's ransom promoting ObamaCare, and that Democrats and the liberal press have devoted three years to extolling its alleged virtues, and the fact that the public never supported this law to begin with.

Couple things..

When Obama was re-elected in 2010, it WAS an affirmation of his SIGNATURE law, Obamacare. If people HATED it then, as you and your right wing rag suggests, he would have LOST bigtime.

The next lie is how much Obama spent promoting the law.. That's just the problem.. He didn't spend ENOUGH. He actually thought that argument would be OVER, having won the election, and having had the law proven CONSTITUTIONAL... You know, stuff that an ORDINARY person would believe. He just had NO idea exactly HOW much he was hated... I didn't either..

All in all, this crap might as will have been written by Sarah Palin...

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:
Couple things..

When Obama was re-elected in 2010, it WAS an affirmation of his SIGNATURE law, Obamacare. If people HATED it then, as you and your right wing rag suggests, he would have LOST bigtime.

The next lie is how much Obama spent promoting the law.. That's just the problem.. He didn't spend ENOUGH. He actually thought that argument would be OVER, having won the election, and having had the law proven CONSTITUTIONAL... You know, stuff that an ORDINARY person would believe. He just had NO idea exactly HOW much he was hated... I didn't either..

All in all, this crap might as will have been written by Sarah Palin...

excon

Right on cue, total denial of the facts. You're in deep, dude, you are a true believer.

[talaniman]

Actually its been Republicans spending all the money to muddy the water, and in 11 days they will try their last desperate tactic to stop the prez. Shut down the whole government.

Even republicans are panicking over that idea. Wonder why all of them don't agree with Ted Cruz?