[Wondergirl]

I know what it was for Penn State at in-state rates...and Harvard was far more expensive than that..

Undergrad tuition and R/B at Harvard from 1989-1991 was about $16,000 a year. He was in the J.D. (grad) program during those years, so probably not much more. (http://vpf-web.harvard.edu/budget/fa...01/page23.html) I was in a grad program at a private school those same years and paid out $25,000.

Now Harvard tuition plus R&B is out of sight.

[smoothy]

Undergrad tuition and R/B at Harvard from 1989-1991 was about $16,000 a year. He was in the J.D. (grad) program during those years, so probably not much more. (Undergraduate Tuition Over Time) I was in a grad program at a private school those same years and paid out $25,000.

Now Harvard tuition plus R&B is out of sight.

Funny how all his college records are still the greatest national secrets we have... and the only proof we have he ever attended is his word.

[smoothy]

Undergrad tuition and R/B at Harvard from 1989-1991 was about $16,000 a year. He was in the J.D. (grad) program during those years, so probably not much more. (Undergraduate Tuition Over Time) I was in a grad program at a private school those same years and paid out $25,000.

Now Harvard tuition plus R&B is out of sight.

And who paid for that and where did he borrow it because the Federal Student loan program capped out at $10,000 back then, total, not per year. That kept me out of Penn State.

[Wondergirl]

And who paid for that and where did he borrow it because the Federal Student loan program capped out at $10,000 back then, total, not per year. That kept me out of Penn State.

$10,000 total or per year? He would have had to fill out an FAFSA, so the actual "family contribution" (tuition, etc.) would have been less than the full amount. He may have gotten scholarships or grants. He had jobs too.

[smoothy]

$10,000 total or per year? He would have had to fill out an FAFSA, so the actual "family contribution" (tuition, etc.) would have been less than the full amount. He may have gotten scholarships or grants. He had jobs too.

Not per year... total... over multiple years. I remember it being $5,000 per callender year... with a $10,000 total limit. That's the student loan part. If it exceded that... you had to get it elsewhere. My parents were working part time jobs because my father... like 30% of the reviously employed working people where I grew up... were laid off in Jimmy Carters wonderful economy. And had been for a number of years.


But as a white person... that was enough to disqualify us for any aid. Even though we had to eat pasta 3 - 4 times a week to be able to pay the mortgage and bills.

Yes... affirmative action was very racist and very unfairly pushed around in the beinning (based on quotas... not merit)... and it never really got a lot better. And Financial aid followed many of the same guidelines then too.


You were a bit older... and were through this before it hit when I came of age... but it was so bad there is a lot of bitterness from those of us screwed during that era.

[Wondergirl]

Not per year.....total....over multiple years. I remember it being $5,000 per callender year...with a $10,000 total limit. THats the student loan part. If it exceded that...you had to get it elsewhere.

And that might be undergrad only. Harvard for him was a grad program, and there is no federal help or loose money to pay tuition, etc. (I tried like heck to find money to borrow but couldn't/didn't when I went to grad school.)

[smoothy]

And that might be undergrad only. Harvard for him was a grad program, and there is no federal help or loose money to pay tuition, etc. (I tried like heck to find money to borrow but couldn't/didn't when I went to grad school.)

Probibly... how much I could borrow basically dictated where I could attend... but that was definitely undergrad... meant to help people get to college... but not pay for everything... it definitely expanded in the years since.

Minorities could have everything paid under CETA if they wanted to go during that period... and not have to pay back a dime...

Yes I knew people that took advantage of it... a couple people in my College classes were in it.

Most of the grants back then were geared to who you knew... if you didn't have the right people vouching for you... you got nothing. I have no idea if it's the same way now or not.

And the high school guidance office was less than worthless.

[Wondergirl]

Most of the grants back then were geared to who you knew.....if you didn't have the right people vouching for you....you got nothing. I have no idea if its the saem way now or not.

There are rumors all over the internet that this sheik or that lawyer MAY HAVE paid for Obama undergrad and grad programs. The next time he's in town, I will give him a call and ask how he paid for his schooling. (And I would too, if I could.)

My son's freshman year in 1993 cost us about $19,000 (minus the FAFSA reductions). By senior year, his college costs were in the mid twenties. Now it's over $47,000 at that college for a year. There's something rotten in Denmark...

[smoothy]

There are rumors all over the internet that this sheik or that lawyer MAY HAVE paid for Obama undergrad and grad programs. The next time he's in town, I will give him a call and ask how he paid for his schooling. (And I would too, if I could.)

My son's freshman year in 1993 cost us about $19,000 (minus the FAFSA reductions). By senior year, his college costs were in the mid twenties. Now it's over $47,000 at that college for a year. There's something rotten in Denmark....

I haven't heard any of those...

But yeah... stupid expensive. $47K sounds like GW University... but maybe they are over $50K now a year

[Wondergirl]

I haven't heard any of those.....

But yeah...stupid expensive. $47K sounds like GW University.....but maybe they are over $50K now a year

And my son's college is just some small-town private college in the middle of nowhere (think Illinois cornfields) -- but it got a name for itself during the Lincoln-Douglas debates and because of Obama's speechifying there (twice now).

[Tuttyd]

Obamas a racist...read the books he wrote.

I haven't read them. Does he talk about 'blood types' and percentages?

[smoothy]

I haven't read them. Does he talk about 'blood types' and percentages?

I provided a link earlier for someone that went into each of them.

[Tuttyd]

I provided a link earlier for someone that went into each of them.

I read the link. Apparently he doesn't. In colloquial terms I guess we can say that,
"He don't, but you do"

[smoothy]

I read the link. Apparently he doesn't. In colloquial terms I guess we can say that,
"He don't, but you do"

How you can come to that conclusion after reading that is beyond understanding.

He flat out said it.. he wasn't being cutesy with the English language... so what was written was written at face value.

Though many Democrats view it like one... it wasn't written in parables like the Bible.

[Tuttyd]

How you can come to that conclusion after reading that is beyond understanding.

He flat out said it..he wasn't being cutesy with the English language...so what was written was written at face value.

Though many Democrats view it like one...it wasn't written in parables like the Bible.

I didn't come to that conclusion. The question I asked you originally was in relation to blood types and percentages. The conclusion I drew was that he doesn't talk about those things. Based on your previous postings, you do talk about those things.

[smoothy]

I didn't come to that conclusion. The question I asked you originally was in relation to blood types and percentages. The conclusion I drew was that he doesn't talk about those things. Based on your previous postings, you do talk about those things.

I don't remember actually commenting on that specific question. Nor do I remember if he did or not in either autobiography.

Its been a long day and I'm tired. And my wife is in one of those moods where certain middle eastern customs might start to sound reasonable at the moment.

[speechlesstx]

In spite of the recent SCOTUS ruling Holder is going after NC now. Instead of moving on like most of us Holder wants to keep the race war going... in spite of evidence that minority turnout increased after voter ID enacted in Georgia.

The federal government will charge that the state was “willfully discriminatory” when it passed the law. Part of that charge is a 2013 analysis by the N.C. Board of Elections, which said that more than 300,000 registered voters did not have a DMV-issued ID.

In addition to asking that the Voter ID law be struck down, the Justice Department is seeking to have North Carolina put back on the “preclearance” list that requires the federal government to approve changes to voter laws.

I personally think this whole objection to voter ID is just as irrational as the preclearance rule SCOTUS struck down. I'm sure those of with an interest prolonging a racial divide will tell me how discriminatory it is because blacks for some reason can't seem to come up with an ID like most everyone else.

[tomder55]

North Carolina NAACP held a protest in Raleigh NC yesterday to protest among other things ,voter photo id laws.
Multitude at 'Moral March' protest NC GOP policies - News-Record.com: News
Before the protest ,they published a list of Do's and Don'ts for the rally . Most are practical suggestions designed to keep the rally safe and peaceful . However ,there is one ironic suggestion in the "Do's " list .... scroll down to suggestion 9
http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net...pdf?1390857331

[speechlesstx]

You just can't make this stuff up.

[excon]

Hello again, wrongwingers:

Because I DON'T think being required to show an ID in order to VOTE is legal or fair, means that I think carrying an ID anywhere is stupid..

To THINK, that's what we THINK, is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.. I'm not making THAT up.

excon