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    #441

    Sep 13, 2013, 07:09 AM
    Only the few here ,and Andrew Sullivan are promoting this fiction that it represents anything resembling a victory. Read the Joe Klein article . Read Maureen Dowd. The lefties are bailing ship on this incompetent community organizer turned CIC .
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    #442

    Sep 13, 2013, 07:15 AM
    Can face the fact your guys got caught in yeat another serioes of lies... just like Benghazi...

    And trying to claim victory after getting punked by Putin...

    Your guys screwed up Tal... and got caught yet again, just admit it... you can't spin the truth into some some other fantasy.

    Or are we about to hear for the 2 Billionth time... how this is really Bushes fault?
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    #443

    Sep 13, 2013, 07:23 AM
    Why blame Bush when the problem is the right wing republicans?
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    #444

    Sep 13, 2013, 07:28 AM
    Hello again, wrong wingers:

    Let me see if I get this right.. Obama threatens to strike Syria over its use of chemical weapons. Upon BEING threatened, Syria agrees to GIVE UP its chemical weapons..

    And, you call that a DEFEAT...

    Boy, oh boy, oh boy... We're in more trouble than I thought..

    excon
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    #445

    Sep 13, 2013, 08:21 AM
    I neither called it defeat or victory . The only thing that you KNOW has happened is that Assad admitted to having them ;and is now in the process of moving them . He has not agreed to anything . What Putin has claimed he agreed to is to have international supervision of his cw in return to a guarantee that the US will not strike.
    Meanwhile his air assets are again being decisive . Sounds like a victory for Assad and even more for Putin who is claiming the influence for his nation that the emperor is ceding .
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    #446

    Sep 13, 2013, 08:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, wrong wingers:

    Lemme see if I get this right.. Obama threatens to strike Syria over its use of chemical weapons. Upon BEING threatened, Syria agrees to GIVE UP its chemical weapons..

    And, you call that a DEFEAT...

    Boy, oh boy, oh boy... We're in more trouble than I thought..

    excon
    Obama was ready to start WW3 in Syria (who never threatened us much les attacked us until Obama threatened to commit an act of war) ust to distract everyone from Benghazi, the IRS and Fast and furious scandlal investigations... this has nothing to do with chemical weapons.
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    #447

    Sep 13, 2013, 08:57 AM
    Hello again, tom:
    He has not agreed to anything
    Uhhh, Yes, he has.

    Excon
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    #448

    Sep 13, 2013, 09:06 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Righty's never admit to being wrong, so why would you expect anyone else to? Especially since the president is wrong on everything in your eyes.

    Is their anything you guys won't squeal about?
    Dude, you're in denial. Other than a few diehards it's pretty universally agreed, including by people Chris Tingly Matthews, that Obama's handling of Syria has been a disaster. And that's putting it mildly from some of things I've seen.
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    #449

    Sep 13, 2013, 09:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Obama's handling of Syria has been a disaster.
    And starting WWIII would have been a disaster too.
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    #450

    Sep 13, 2013, 09:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, tom:


    Uhhh, Yes, he has.

    excon
    And then he promptly moved the goalpost.
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    #451

    Sep 13, 2013, 09:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    And starting WWIII would have been a disaster too.
    Was I hoping for WWIII or something?
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    #452

    Sep 13, 2013, 09:22 AM
    Hello again, Steve:
    Obama's handling of Syria has been a disaster.
    And, yet, he WON! Whoda thunk it?

    Excon
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    #453

    Sep 13, 2013, 09:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Was I hoping for WWIII or something?
    You were waiting on the sidelines.
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    #454

    Sep 13, 2013, 09:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, tom:


    Uhhh, Yes, he has.

    excon
    9/10 is old news. The proposal has been revised with provisos regarding US guarantees to not attack.
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    #455

    Sep 13, 2013, 09:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    You were waiting on the sidelines.
    We're all waiting for a leader and so far, Putin seems to be winning that race.
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    #456

    Sep 13, 2013, 09:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:
    And, yet, he WON! Whoda thunk it?

    excon
    As I said, and then Assad promptly moved the goalpost. Although I got to say it is amusing watching you fly the "mission accomplished" banner.
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    #457

    Sep 13, 2013, 09:41 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    I don't know what's so hard about stuff to understand... Getting the agreement was the HARD part. Working out the details should be EASY. Oh, it'll have little bumps along the way, and you'll call them defeats, of course.. But, he WON. The details WILL be worked out.

    You DO know that when HE wins, WE win. Actually, as a committed right winger, you DON'T know that, do you?

    excon
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    #458

    Sep 13, 2013, 10:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    I dunno what's so hard about stuff to understand... Getting the agreement was the HARD part. Working out the details should be EASY. Oh, it'll have little bumps along the way, and you'll call them defeats, of course.. But, he WON. The details WILL be worked out.

    You DO know that when HE wins, WE win. Actually, as a committed right winger, you DON'T know that, do you?

    excon
    Forgive me for not jumping on the "mission accomplished" bandwagon just yet, all I see is Obama just got punked by Putin and Assad and the administration has sunk so low as to embrace indecisiveness as a virtue in the leader of the free world.
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    #459

    Sep 13, 2013, 02:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    I dunno what's so hard about stuff to understand... Getting the agreement was the HARD part. Working out the details should be EASY. Oh, it'll have little bumps along the way, and you'll call them defeats, of course.. But, he WON. The details WILL be worked out.

    You DO know that when HE wins, WE win. Actually, as a committed right winger, you DON'T know that, do you?

    excon
    The goal Ex was not to get an agreement, the goal was to punish the use of weapons BO told him not to use, so the victory, if there is one, is Assad's. He used the weapons, got told he was a naughty boy, and he had to give up his toys, so he said yes. But what you don't acknowledge is yes, but later, when I'm sure you are not going to hit me
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    #460

    Sep 13, 2013, 03:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    The goal Ex was not to get an agreement, the goal was to punish the use of weapons BO told him not to use, so the victory, if there is one, is Assad's. He used the weapons, got told he was a naughty boy, and he had to give up his toys, so he said yes. but what you don't acknowledge is yes, but later, when I'm sure you are not going to hit me
    Taking toys away from him (and the message also from everyone else) is better than beating him bloody. Or do you like bloody?

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