[smoothy]

Actually, no.

Actually yes... and every week the true cost is revised upwards. There hasn't been a claimed savings since not long after the bill was rammed down everyone's throats...

Not even Obama is claiming its going to save any money. Not anymore. They made a lot of false claims and assumptions to even make that claim to begin with.


And the CBO is who says this... a federal agency.

[talaniman]

Where there were 3 choices, now there are 9. But it's the republicans crewing up the works even after republican governors have got behind it. Even in Virginia.

Virginia health insurance exchange: your state

In August 2010, McDonnell appointed the Health Reform Initiative Advisory Council. The council issued a report in December 2010 and recommended that Virginia implement a state-based exchange.

The Virginia General Assembly passed legislation in 2010 to invalidate the individual mandate of the Affordable Care Act, and the state attorney general filed a lawsuit against Kathleen Sibelius, the secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, based on the new law. After a series of legal actions, the state law ultimately ruled invalid.

In 2011, the General Assembly passed legislation that was supportive of a state-based exchange, and McDonnell signed the bill into law. However, throughout the 2012 session the General Assembly failed to pass additional legislation necessary to move ahead with exchange implementation.

Finally, after President Obama's re-election, McDonnell notified HHS that Virginia would not proceed with a state-based exchange nor Medicaid expansion. While the norm for the federally operated exchange leaves no role for the state, McDonnell did lobby for oversight of the health plans that will operate on the exchange within the state. HHS approved McDonnell's request in March 2013.

According to Kaiser's State Health Facts, 14 percent of Virginians do not have health insurance.

So they lie something is being rammed down republican throats is actually a program that affects the uninsured Americans and the insured ones gain more options than what insurance companies want to give so they SQUEAL higher future rates, and employers SQUEAL less hours.

Both have been gouging the American public for years in search of MO' MONEY, from your pocket to theirs.

19 days before it starts, and facts become apparent and the SQUEALER eat their own crap for a change. Bon Apetite Smoothy.

[smoothy]

Bovine excrement...

[talaniman]

Your choice and you will swallow. Chew well is my advise.

[smoothy]

Your choice and you will swallow. Chew well is my advise.

Not if we can do anything about it... and there isn't a law that can't be repealed... including this one.

[Wondergirl]

Not if we can do anything about it...and there isn't a law that can't be repealed.....including this one.

Or tweaked, as needed.

[speechlesstx]

Or tweaked, as needed.

It takes more than a tweak to touch this.

[smoothy]

Or tweaked, as needed.

Its such a mess from its very foundation... its beyond fixing.

[Wondergirl]

Its such a mess from its very foundation....its beyond fixing.

Not according to the insurance mailings my son is getting.

[smoothy]

Not according to the insurance mailings my son is getting.

Its is according to everyone else that knows anything about it.


In fact... Websters is changing their definition of " Mess" to Obamacare as an example given.

[talaniman]

You don't know anything about it either, and for sure the squeal and repeal crowd doesn't either because they are to lazy, or illiterate to read the thing, even the shorter online version that's been out for years.

Holler in your own circles as the rest of us move forward and drag your right wing carcasses with us, like we always have to do. Kicking, screaming and squealing.

18 more days you loud buggers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[speechlesstx]

You don't know anything about it either, and for sure the squeal and repeal crowd doesn't either because they are to lazy, or illiterate to read the thing

Oh the irony coming from the "we have to pass it to know what's in it" side of things. Dude, no one understands it, you don't either.

[talaniman]

It could stand some improvements and probably will over time and I may not be an expert, but do have a GREAT understanding of it. Not only that I have seen a marked improvement over the years of my own health care insurance which has already notified us that they exceed the requirements the law has mandated them to do and are an option as we get ready to sign up for social security.

One thing no one has talked about is how it may save Medicaid a lot of loot, and that saves taxpayers, and not sure why more has not been made of it especially if the economy grows at 1% higher than it did last year. I take that back, the noise on the right is trying to drown out real debate, consensus, and reasonable compromise because the NEW (old/only) principle is turn back the hands of time to bring back the good old days they remember when minorities, and women did as they were told and YOU did as you wanted.

[smoothy]

Has everyone got their hip waders on yet?

[Wondergirl]

Has everyone got their hip waders on yet?

Am splashing barefoot in the puddles.

[smoothy]

Am splashing barefoot in the puddles.

Ewwwwww!

[Wondergirl]

ewwwwww!

*potchy potchy potchy*

(Used to do that in warm spring-rain puddles on the sidewalk when I lived in NC)

[talaniman]

Let me address for a minute the concerns of unions and their subsidies issue. Like employers they may well have to use there leverage of millions of workers to get a better deal from existing providers and mitigate any higher cost because they as consumers have got the insurance companies by the balls with added competition. One avenue may close but others will open, BIGTIME.

The unions may criticize but they haven't stopped negotiating, unlike the squealers who can't read and don't have a better plan. The last one was voted down in the 2012 election.

One more thing is that my union provided health care is from one of the biggest insurers in Texas.

[excon]

Hello again,

Remember that healthcare bill that was rammed through in spite of the American people's overwhelming objection?

In the United States of America, the country I LOVE and spilled my blood for, laws are passed by the congress WE voted for.. NOBODY shoved ANYTHING down your throat. If you don't like who won, and what they did, campaign for the other guy..

That's how it works here in THIS great country of ours... You got BEAT. Stop your sniveling..

Excon

[talaniman]

17 days left for the Squeal crowd to repeal ACA. Can they punk the president like they say Putin did? I don't think so, but be careful what you wish for.