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tomder55 · Sep 10, 2013, 06:51 AM

Yeah we will hand over responsibility to the OPCW . They've done such a fine job doing that anti-proliferation gig. Or even better... hand them over to Russian oversight .

speechlesstx · Sep 10, 2013, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
So, they can ship the WMD's to Iraq???? Isn't that where they came from???

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Not just Syria, so is Obama.

excon · Sep 10, 2013, 06:56 AM

Hello again, tom:

Since WE can't go in, WHO should be in charge? You don't like the UN. You don't like the Russians. But, I'm not interested in what you DON'T like. Tell me what you DO like.

I'm for bombing him still.

excon

smoothy · Sep 10, 2013, 06:58 AM

I say we round up about 20 million illegal latinos from here... and send them over there to keep an eye on things.

paraclete · Sep 10, 2013, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Since WE can't go in, WHO should be in charge? You don't like the UN. You don't like the Russians. But, I'm not interested in what you DON'T like. Tell me what you DO like.

I'm for bombing him still.

excon

Ex relax this is the twenty first century time to solve our problems in a new way. I like the idea of destroying weapons. I know it is counter culture to the US but it is an advance

tomder55 · Sep 10, 2013, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Since WE can't go in, WHO should be in charge? You don't like the UN. You don't like the Russians. But, I'm not interested in what you DON'T like. Tell me what you DO like.

I'm for bombing him still.

excon

I'm for not doing anything until and if we know it was Assad that made the call ,or even if it was his forces that were responsible.
Even then I am NOT in favor of supporting the alphabet soup of AQ jihadists that make up the vast majority of the so called Free Syrian Army .

What I am in favor of is supporting the refugees and leaving our assets in Jordon to prop up that nation from a possible spill over .

I am in favor of having the ICC slap Assad with a charge of war crimes and then dare him to leave his country for any reason.

I am in favor of continuing to up the pressure on the Iranians to support their legitimate opposition and to end their development of nuclear weaponry .

I am in favor of exploring the possibilities of cooperation with the Russians in combatting our common enemy.. stateless jihadistan .

I am not in favor of combatting them in one battlefield (Afghanistan) while being their allies on another battlefield (Syria) .

tomder55 · Sep 10, 2013, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

ex relax this is the twenty first century time to solve our problems in a new way. I like the idea of destroying weapons. I know it is counter culture to the US but it is an advance

Perhaps the post modern solution is best... that is, the Russians remove the sarin, and the emperor pretends to take credit for it. Before Kerry's convenient throw away line to the reporter ,the Russians dispatched the Nikolai Filchenkov from it's Black Sea fleet .The Filchenkov can carry 300 troops + 1,700 tons of cargo. But what if it sailed empty and has a mission to pick up a special cargo from Syria ?

They could've done this without Kerry's convenient cover of course under the pretext of keeping the stockpile out of the hands of the US allies... the jihadistist (in fact I think that is exactly the way it was supposed to go down).

The exact size of Syria's arsenal is not known with any precision,But estimates have it to be more than 1,000 tons. That means the Filchenkov could transport the entire cw stockpile on a single trip . Putin would gain prestige by removing the possibility of the arsenal falling into the jihadists hands ;and also by being the political "genious" that solved the current crisis.
I am pretty sure that Kerry's off the cuff comment was in fact a orchestrated event to seize the initiative .

excon · Sep 10, 2013, 08:29 AM

Hello again, tom:

I am pretty sure that Kerry's off the cuff comment was in fact a orchestrated event to seize the initiative .

Who cares? It DID seize the initiative. It WON the war WITHOUT firing a shot. How great is that?

Excon

speechlesstx · Sep 10, 2013, 08:46 AM

Who won what exactly?

excon · Sep 10, 2013, 09:01 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Who won what exactly?

This is not hard. We were about to go to war with Syria over their use of WMD's... But, under the THREAT of being BOMBED, even lightly, Syria decided to RID itself of these WMD's.

Now, I don't know about you. But, that's a VICTORY for our side. I know its hard for you to give one to Obama, and I'm sure you'll spin it otherwise, but he WON. That's just so.

Excon

smoothy · Sep 10, 2013, 09:21 AM

Obama is probibly having a meltdown he doesn't get to kill a bunch of people to prove his manhood.

And that Putin stole his thunder yet again... how pathetic is that.

tomder55 · Sep 10, 2013, 09:23 AM

But but... before Putin embraced it... the State Dept wasn't willing to take credit for it . They said Kerry spoke "rhetorically" .
Kerry speaking rhetorically over Syria turning in weapons: State Department | Reuters

speechlesstx · Sep 10, 2013, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

This is not hard. We were about to go to war with Syria over their use of WMD's... But, under the THREAT of being BOMBED, even lightly, Syria decided to RID itself of these WMD's.

Now, I dunno about you. But, that's a VICTORY for our side. I know its hard for you to give one to Obama, and I'm sure you'll spin it otherwise, but he WON. That's just so.

excon

Oh, so it's all a done deal, eh? You trust Putin and Assad? I know, you looked in their eyes and got a sense of their souls.

P.S. It's official, Obama has done a complete reversal and is now going to the formerly "paralyzed" "hocus pocus" at the UN to discuss Putin's proposal. He has now, for the time being at least, backed himself out of a hole - which is apparently what it means to lead from behind.

excon · Sep 10, 2013, 09:43 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Oh, so it's all a done deal, eh?

Nahhh... It's just begun. But, we're TALKING now, instead of BOMBING. Don't you see the difference?

Excon

talaniman · Sep 10, 2013, 09:49 AM

Trust but verify, and its only been a day and the reaction of Russia and Syria was to Kerry was to quick to be a snap decision, and they were looking for a face saving way out.

They better use it, while they can, which makes congressional approval of the use of force even more critical in keeping the pressure on Assad, and Russia.

smoothy · Sep 10, 2013, 09:58 AM

Obama can't put pressure on his own weiner.

Nobody outside the Democrat party takes him serious...

Any more than the mentally unbalanced homelss guy with a loaded gun that lives in the dumpster down the street anyway.

tomder55 · Sep 10, 2013, 09:59 AM

P.S. It's official, Obama has done a complete reversal and is now going to the formerly "paralyzed" "hocus pocus" at the UN to discuss Putin's proposal. He has now, for the time being at least, backed himself out of a hole - which is apparently what it means to lead from behind

Sort of reminds me of the lyrics to that 60's sitcom F-Troop .
A hero who sneezed abruptly seized
Retreat and reversed it to victory.

excon · Sep 10, 2013, 10:16 AM

Hello again, tom:

I don't care if he stumbled into a victory or planned it out. The VICTORY is all that matters. And, who's to say that it WASN'T all planned out, anyway?

excon

speechlesstx · Sep 10, 2013, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:
Nahhh... It's just begun. But, we're TALKING now, instead of BOMBING. Don't you see the difference?

excon

But you WANT to bomb the hell out of them. You were for the war before you were against it?

You libs are so confusing.

talaniman · Sep 10, 2013, 10:55 AM

Nothing confusing about it. Yes we are willing to blow the hell out of them, but now we are talking because they don't want the hell blown out of them.

That's not confusing. Really simple.