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    #241

    Sep 4, 2013, 07:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Call it 'no blood for natural gas ' .
    Like you need natural gas? Isn't there sufficient demand in Syria for their natural gas? Those arabic foods cause a lot of gas.

    The real question is who is running that place, public sentiment or the oil companies. The last war was about gaining control of Iraq oil, so you think this one is about gaining control of Syrian natural gas. The last war resulted in higher oil prices this one will result in higher natural gas prices.. We had a saying once "poor fella my country" I think it might apply to you
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    #242

    Sep 4, 2013, 07:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    like you need natural gas? isn't there sufficient demand in Syria for their natural gas? those arabic foods cause a lot of gas.

    The real question is who is running that place, public sentiment or the oil companies. The last war was about gaining control of Iraq oil, so you think this one is about gaining control of Syrian natural gas. the last war resulted in higher oil prices this one will result in higher natural gas prices.. We had a saying once "poor fella my country" I think it might apply to you
    If that BS claim Iraq was over control of oil... then why aren't we in control of all the oil there..

    You do understand what cease fire agreements are?

    This is ALL about pencild*ck Obama having his manliness questioned... so he wants to prove how manly he is by killing people... just like any bully that has his virility questioned.
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    Sep 4, 2013, 08:15 PM
    Nobody did anything when they shot up a bunch of people in Syria, so what's the fuss over gassing them? Even if he never uses gas again, he sure as hell won't stop killing people. But it sure would put a crimp in Russia's guns for oil deal, and that port where they repair Russian ships(?) if they took Assad out. And you think those rebels will play nice with anyone who supported Assad?

    Its win or die for Assad, and Mother Russia has made it plain they like him alive. Good thing he doesn't have a nuke, he would use that too because madmen always will use whatever they have to get what they want, or just for the hell of it.
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    #244

    Sep 4, 2013, 09:51 PM
    There are bigger issues here than dead Syrians otherwise the west would have stepped in long ago. Obama is a fool if he thinks firing a few cruise missiles will protect Syrian civilians. If assard thinks he has nothing to loose he might use all the weapons in his arsenal.This is all bluff and bluster and Putin has called Obama's bluff. While we might think we know who used chemical weapons, the situation is so fractured in Syria maybe we don't know, perhaps the wind changed, you have to ask yourself what were civilians doing in a battle zone? Don't they have any common sense? Assard says he is winning, so now BO wants to lessen the chances of that, and yet he cannot afford an extremeist win
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    #245

    Sep 5, 2013, 02:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    like you need natural gas? isn't there sufficient demand in Syria for their natural gas? those arabic foods cause a lot of gas.

    The real question is who is running that place, public sentiment or the oil companies. The last war was about gaining control of Iraq oil, so you think this one is about gaining control of Syrian natural gas. the last war resulted in higher oil prices this one will result in higher natural gas prices.. We had a saying once "poor fella my country" I think it might apply to you
    Nah you don't get it ,It's about competing routes of natural gas pipelines from the South Pars fields(Iran and Qatar) to Europe.Both OPEC and the Iranians want the pipelines going right through Syria.Only one will .
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    Sep 5, 2013, 03:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    nah you don't get it ,It's about competing routes of natural gas pipelines from the South Pars fields(Iran and Qatar) to Europe.Both OPEC and the Iranians want the pipelines going right through Syria.Only one will .
    Eventually gas doesn't carry a national flag. You put metered quantities in one end and you take metered quantities out the other end. I would think Putin's stake is to keep that gas out of Europe. The Iranians are selling their gas to Pakistan and eventually India, big energing market there. If the Iranians have so much gas they don't need nuclear or so the thinking goes
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    #247

    Sep 5, 2013, 04:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    eventually gas doesn't carry a national flag. You put metered quantities in one end and you take metered quantities out the other end. I would think Putin's stake is to keep that gas out of Europe. The Iranians are selling their gas to Pakistan and eventually India, big energing market there. If the Iranians have so much gas they don't need nuclear or so the thinking goes
    Umm not quite.. if OPEC's line makes it to Turkey then it cuts into Russia's virtual monopoly . If the Iranian line makes it there then Putin has a degree of control of the price.
    Iran, Iraq, Syria sign major gas pipeline deal - Tehran Times
    Qatar seeks gas pipeline to Turkey - The National
    Either way it matters who runs the country .
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    #248

    Sep 5, 2013, 08:22 AM
    Hello again,

    Didja hear that Rush Limprod BELIEVES Obama gassed the rebels?? Really...

    Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

    excon
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    #249

    Sep 5, 2013, 09:18 AM
    Impossible... until now the emperor was leading from behind. But if you asked me if the jihadists we support got their hands on CW from other nations ,or even got their hands on some Syrian stock ;I would say that is quite plausible and probable. Don't forget about the 2kg of sarin that rebels in Turkey were caught with .

    When Lurch Kerry speaks of moral outrages ,does he speak of the exections by the rebels that the Slimes published today ? Does he speak of the video( that I will not post here because of graphic content ) where a rebel leader carves out the heart and liver of a captive and proceeds to eat it ?
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    #250

    Sep 5, 2013, 10:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Didja hear that Rush Limprod BELIEVES Obama gassed the rebels??? Really...

    Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

    excon
    I don't listen to Rush but I'd be willing to bet whatever he said was with a heavy dose of sarcasm.
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    #251

    Sep 5, 2013, 10:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Didja hear that Rush Limprod BELIEVES Obama gassed the rebels??? Really...

    Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

    excon
    Which Orifice did you pull that tidbit from? Because I listen to him at the office and he never said that.

    Though I believe Obama is enough of a narcicisst to do that... if he actually had access to them, which he doesn't..
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    #252

    Sep 5, 2013, 12:15 PM
    Oh... and for the people that can't cope with the fact of all the flip-flopers on the left that are currently telling lies about their support for the Iraq war...

    Read it for yourself at snopes... John Kerry, and Hillarly clinton as well as Nancy (where am I ) Pelosi... and the rest of the cast of clowns.

    snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes
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    #253

    Sep 5, 2013, 02:59 PM
    Two things. First, it's come to this...

    ‘We Are No Better’: Media Company CEO and Obama Supporter, Equates Syrian Nerve Gas With Pesticides

    Maria Rodale, CEO and chairman of publishing house Rodale, Inc. manages a variety of periodicals that are household names, including Men’s Health, Women’s Health, and Prevention. She is also an outspoken supporter of President Barack Obama, as she freely admitted in the open letter to the president published in The Huffington Post on Wednesday.

    But Rodale is concerned by Obama’s push for military action in Syria in response to that regime’s systematic and escalating use of chemical weapons on civilian populations. Rodale is concerned, not because children are being gassed en mass, but because the United States would view the precedent-setting use of chemical weapons to be a casus belli.

    No, says the author of Organic Manifesto: How Organic Food Can Heal Our Planet, Feed the World, and Keep Us Safe. In fact, the taboo on chemical weapons is being violated every day on an unimaginable scale because children around the world are being poisoned by non-organic produce. Seriously.

    “I do not consider myself a Christian,” Rodale writes, “but I would like to quote Jesus and ask, ‘Who among you has not sinned?’”

    “Yes, Syria has undoubtedly used chemical weapons on its own people. Maybe it was the government; maybe it was the opposition; maybe you know for sure,” she continues. “But here’s what I know for sure: We are no better.”

    We have been using chemical weapons on our own children — and ourselves — for decades, the chemical weapons we use in agriculture to win the war on pests, weeds, and the false need for ever greater yields.
    Sure, some might call her a raving lunatic who may be ill-advisedly experimenting with a reduction in her daily medication. Others would call Rodale a beacon of sanity in an insane world. Then there are those who wonder what kind of a God would allow the cosmic injustice of this person’s fortune and success to continue, given the fact that she not only holds asinine opinions like these but thinks advertising them is a clever move. Count me in the latter group.—–
    Good to see the loonies finally turning out.

    And then, it's good to see the media doing their job. I give you AP reporter Matt Lee...



    LEE: And so what I don’t understand, though, is how he is comfortable with the president’s decision. I understand the president’s commander in chief and that everyone is going to get on board with whatever he decides, but I don’t understand why he is so full-throatedly in favor of this. He over the weekend said the president was acting courageously by taking this to Congress, and I don’t understand what is courageous about asking permission for something that you say you don’t need and to do what you believe to be the right thing not just morally but in general.

    PSAKI: Well –

    LEE: Can you explain why this is a courageous move and — or why the secretary would call it a courageous move?

    PSAKI: Well, certainly let me first say, of course, the secretary does feel how he did on Friday, how he did on Sunday, that targeted intervention is absolutely the right step, and he does support the president’s decision to bring this to Congress. And –

    LEE: Was there some kind of, like, group spine-removal op procedure at the White House over the weekend?
    LOL, love it.
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    #254

    Sep 5, 2013, 03:34 PM
    for once in her life Palin talks sense

    Opinion: Sarah Palin's offensive remarks about Syria - CNN.com

    Palin has echoed the sentiments of many of us on Syria. "Let Allah sort it out". A reference to allowing the God that these people worship to intervene and choose sides in the conflict. Any suggestion that she thinks Allah and Jesus are the same person should be put aside since no follower of Islam acknowledges Jesus as God. But she is right the US should stay out of the conflict irrespective of what international lines have been crossed. As long as the conflicit stays in Syria then everyone else stay out
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    #255

    Sep 5, 2013, 03:39 PM
    That's just great since all the refugees are flowing into Syria's neighboring countries. Yeah that's keeping it in Syria all right.
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    #256

    Sep 5, 2013, 03:48 PM
    People can choose where they want to live, those who have left show good sense, but we should not play agony aunt over those who have chosen to stay in the thick of the fighting, the arabs are revolting, revolution is a fact of life in the arab world
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    #257

    Sep 5, 2013, 03:50 PM
    since no follower of Islam acknowledges Jesus as God.
    What difference would it make if they did?
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    #258

    Sep 5, 2013, 03:57 PM
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    What difference would it make if they did?
    Then you could say they worship the same God and Christians could align themselves with Muslims. This is a war that is essentially between two muslim sects who hate each other, it has nothing to do with Christians or Christian nations, all we can hope to do is pick up the pieces when it is over. If Christian nations get involved the muslims will turn on them, they won't thank the Christians for getting involved, they will say the crusaders have come again unite against a common enemy and it doesn't matter that secular states are involved, for muslims that is even worse, that they are opposed by Kaffir, unbelievers
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    #259

    Sep 5, 2013, 05:20 PM
    it has nothing to do with Christians or Christian nations
    ...
    That's what they told the Copts in Egypt. That's what they are telling the embattled Syrian Christians in Maaloula (one of the few places in the world where residents still speak Aramaic).
    And who is threatening them ? No ,not Assad . It's those freedom fighters the FSA .
    Syria's Christian minority is roughly 10 percent of the population . They have not had a great time under the Assad regime. But if jihadistan wins they will be ethnically cleansed.
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    #260

    Sep 5, 2013, 05:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    for once in her life Palin talks sense

    Opinion: Sarah Palin's offensive remarks about Syria - CNN.com

    Palin has echoed the sentiments of many of us on Syria. "Let Allah sort it out". A reference to allowing the God that these people worship to intervene and choose sides in the conflict. Any suggestion that she thinks Allah and Jesus are the same person should be put aside since no follower of Islam acknowledges Jesus as God. But she is right the US should stay out of the conflict irrespective of what international lines have been crossed. As long as the conflicit stays in Syria then everyone else stay out
    Who gives a damn what the Pedophile worshipers are offended by... they get offended the fact that Jews, Christians and Atheists get to do as they wish on the same planet they infest.

    Personally I think she summed it up well...

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