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NeedKarma · Aug 19, 2013, 09:43 AM

Sigh...

talaniman · Aug 19, 2013, 09:48 AM

You did read that discrimination is against the law in the state in which the bakery resides didn't you?

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction/ Newton. Bet you didn't know it applies to human interaction did you? We call it push back to what pisses us off. When you make some one mad through your actions or behavior, you should expect conflict, and bad behavior. One feeds the other.

Break the law though, deal with justice through the courts, so there are no examples of good behavior in this case by either side. What disturbed me more than anything was the public support of that discrimination, and bad behavior.

speechlesstx · Aug 19, 2013, 10:00 AM

Tal, for crying out loud DEATH THREATS are not "equal and opposite reactions" to saying "sorry, I can't make your cake." Geez.

NeedKarma · Aug 19, 2013, 10:04 AM

talaniman · Aug 19, 2013, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Tal, for crying out loud DEATH THREATS are not "equal and opposite reactions" to saying "sorry, I can't make your cake." Geez.

Some BELIEVE it is.

smoothy · Aug 19, 2013, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Some BELIEVE it is.

Those people should be under the care of a mental health care professional.

talaniman · Aug 19, 2013, 10:32 AM

And should the bakery be held accountable for refusing to sell a cake? It IS against the law.

speechlesstx · Aug 19, 2013, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Some BELIEVE it is.

Are you one of them?

smoothy · Aug 19, 2013, 10:35 AM

Nope... most establisments have the right to refuse service to anyone... and personally if someone went into a place serving food... making a scene DEMANDING they be served... how many ingredients do you suppose find their way into someone's underwear before they make it to the pot? Or how many buggers find their way in?

You can't FORCE a bakery to make a 9/11 cake celibrating the terrorits... for some Muslim Mosque throwing a party...

speechlesstx · Aug 19, 2013, 10:54 AM

Here's the telling part of Oregon's attitude about this:

'The goal is never to shut down a business. The goal is to rehabilitate,' Avakian told The Oregonian."

Those darn Christians, don't they know gay rights trump their first amendment rights?

Granted, if it were me I'd sell them the cake as long as they didn't expect me to decorate it in some perverted way or something. But I can't rationalize death threats for refusing to make a wedding cake like some.

NeedKarma · Aug 19, 2013, 10:58 AM

Christians *could* follow the bible's lead:

1 John 4:20-21
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

smoothy · Aug 19, 2013, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Christians *could* follow the bible's lead:

Atheists COULD show respect to Christians... and so could the Muslim Troglodytes...

smoothy · Aug 19, 2013, 11:04 AM

Why don't they find a gay friendly bakery to bake their penis cake and add the creamy filling... certainly there are gay bakers out there that would like the business?

Heck I'd never want to eat something I had to force someone to make for me that didn't want to make it. I understand human nature. And I know smart people wouldn't be dumb enough to videotape what they did.

How about FORCING Muslim run restaurants to provide a range of Pork dishes as well...

speechlesstx · Aug 19, 2013, 11:12 AM

[QUOTE=NeedKarma;3532662]

Christians *could* follow the bible's lead:
Quote:
1 John 4:20-21
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

LOL, typical. So I take it death threats are cool as long as they are directed at Christians by people who aren't Christians? That's the hatred, not the refusal to sell a cake.

You really should understand what the bible means and what else it says before using it as a bludgeon against Christians.

"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." Matthew 7:5

NeedKarma · Aug 19, 2013, 11:27 AM

So I take it death threats are cool as long as they are directed at Christians by people who aren't Christians?

Well I was referring to the event that started the whole thing in the first place.

You are an example that reminds me of why I shun religion.

NeedKarma · Aug 19, 2013, 11:28 AM

Atheists COULD show respect to Christians

They mostly do. Usually by ignoring them.

talaniman · Aug 19, 2013, 11:38 AM

I don't rationalize death threats either, two wrongs don't make a right. But who says people who do make death threats are rational? I sure don't. Such people would use any excuse to justify bad behavior.

Seeking redress in court is a much more effective, rational, and civil way to handle it. Breaking the law has consequences. Or should have no matter who does it, or the reasons they do it.

smoothy · Aug 19, 2013, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

They mostly do. Usually by ignoring them.

You just proved my claim yet again.

NeedKarma · Aug 19, 2013, 11:44 AM

You just proved my claim yet again.

Do I go to your house and try to convert you? Tell you you're going to hell if you don't?

smoothy · Aug 19, 2013, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Do I go to your house and try to convert you? tell you you're going to hell if you don't?

You proved my point because of the high and mighty attitude where you think you are better than everyone else. (News flash... you aren't)

And I highly doubt anyone has gone to your house to "Convert you" except some Jehova Witness...