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    #1081

    Aug 16, 2013, 08:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Look at a sonogram sometime.....

    its not an opinion....also if someone assualts a pregnant woman...even during the first trimester...and she dies....they get charged with a double murder.
    Sadly there are females who beat their own belly's to self abort, or take a bunch of pills hoping for a miscarriage. And I know you are on many other forums where you see the actions and behavior of dumb youngsters who have no clue but decide to take matters into their own hands.

    Funny how I agree with you on some of those issues and cannot here.
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    #1082

    Aug 16, 2013, 08:40 AM
    My point there being how is it not murder if one person does it... but is if another person does it... at the same point of development.

    Since self defense does no play into this at all.
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    #1083

    Aug 16, 2013, 09:06 AM
    I don't have an answer honestly, but I know it gets rather messy and confusing when too many people step in with differing opinions and points of views. Then there is the actual law and how choices fall within it's boundaries. Emotion run high on many issues, and that's another problem.

    You know a well as I do that half the people out there, mostly young, but older ones as well cannot even grasp what sex is, let alone the responsibility. They are more focused on getting it than the consequences of having it unsafely, or impulsively.
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    #1084

    Aug 16, 2013, 09:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I feel as strong in my beliefs as you do in yours.

    Edited to
    And the only ones you can bully with your opinion are the females with no doctor, or insurance, and no money.
    You keep using that word...

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    #1085

    Aug 16, 2013, 09:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    That one is easy, it's because you lefties have two different sets of rules. One that allows you to get away with anything and one extremely arbitrary set to vilify us with.

    Now, about those Halloween masks...
    Look at this racist wearing an Obama mask
    Look who who's wearing an Obama mask now! - YouTube
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    #1086

    Aug 16, 2013, 09:57 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    look at this racist wearing an Obama mask
    Look who who's wearing an Obama mask now! - YouTube
    Well it's different if HE does it.

    By the way, did you know there was a clown code of ethics? Other than you don't come to a kids party drunk I did not know that.

    A real clown wouldn't mock Obama

    This is what I posted in response...

    I didn't know there was a clown code of ethics. Here's a hint, "Dear Heart", a rodeo "clown" is a bullfighter, he's there for the protection of the cowboy more than the entertainment aspect and I'd say anyone willing to dress up and take on a raging bull with nothing but a barrel can dress as he pleases in my opinion.
    Granted, not every rodeo clown is a bullfighter these days but they are part of the safety aspect along with providing comic relief.
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    #1087

    Aug 17, 2013, 04:43 AM
    As if watermelon Oreos weren't bad enough...

    Pepsi-Flavored Cheetos Exist, Prepare For The Apocalypse | Foodbeast
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    #1088

    Aug 18, 2013, 10:50 AM
    Religious freedom or discrimination?

    US: Bakery investigated over gay wedding cake refusal | News | The Christian Institute

    Or should this be under the right wing goes further right? Hard to say. Yes we saw this in this country before when blacks weren't allowed at a lunch counter.
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    #1089

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Religious freedom or discrimination?

    US: Bakery investigated over gay wedding cake refusal | News | The Christian Institute

    Or should this be under the right wing goes further right? Hard to say. Yes we saw this in this country before when blacks weren't allowed at a lunch counter.
    Religious freedom. Its sad to say how many of us already had seen this coming. Hope your happy with it.
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    #1090

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:47 AM
    Using religion as a reason to discriminate against other humans is an old story we have not moved beyond and no one should be happy about it still existing. But despite the laws and rhetoric, sadly some knew it was still there below the surface of civility.
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    #1091

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Using religion as a reason to discriminate against other humans is an old story we have not moved beyond and no one should be happy about it still existing. But despite the laws and rhetoric, sadly some knew it was still there below the surface of civility.
    When you want things both ways and sideways. What did you think would happen? The government shouldn't force people to participate in anothers religion.
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    #1092

    Aug 19, 2013, 06:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Using religion as a reason to discriminate against other humans is an old story we have not moved beyond and no one should be happy about it still existing. But despite the laws and rhetoric, sadly some knew it was still there below the surface of civility.
    From your article:

    Mr and Mrs Klein have received death threats, hate mail and have lost half of their customers since the incident in January.
    I'm sure because the left is so tolerant of other people's beliefs.

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    #1093

    Aug 19, 2013, 07:40 AM
    a) how do you know their customers are from "the left" exclusively?
    b) it's the free market at work
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    #1094

    Aug 19, 2013, 08:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    a) how do you know their customers are from "the left" exclusively?
    Well now, I'm sure lots of right-wingers are going to issue death threats and hate mail because someone refused to make a cake for a gay wedding.

    b) it's the free market at work
    Since when are death threats part of the free market?
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    #1095

    Aug 19, 2013, 08:09 AM
    All you have is assumptions and sarcasm, no facts.

    I was referring to the loss if business in the second point.
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    #1096

    Aug 19, 2013, 08:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    All you have is assumptions and sarcasm, no facts.
    It was Tal's article so it's his facts.

    I was referring to the loss if business in the second point.
    And ignoring the first points - from Tal's source article - which was what my response was about.

    Mr and Mrs Klein have received death threats, hate mail
    Over a cake? Really? Lefties like Tal love to post about the 'discrimination' and 'intolerance' of righties while ignoring, as you did, the hatred and intolerance on the left. I believe it's a safe assumption this hatred is coming from the left with Oregon being one of the most liberal states in the nation (fact) and that conservatives don't threaten to kill people for refusing to cower to the PC crowd and compromise their beliefs (fact).
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    #1097

    Aug 19, 2013, 08:33 AM
    You mean those haters and death threaters don't have a right to express their disgust but the baker can discriminate on the basis of being gay? Planned Parenthood protesters weren't lefties for sure and lefties didn't murder doctors.

    Seems to me this was about people reacting to discrimination of gay people to buy a cake.
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    #1098

    Aug 19, 2013, 08:47 AM
    Expressing disgust is fine, issuing death threats is not, no more so than murder regardless of who the killer or victim might be. I don't tolerate that on any side, yet you shrug it off as "about people reacting to discrimination of gay people to buy a cake" as if they were just saying, "that's not nice" as opposed to "I'm going to kill you, you Christian bigots."

    Even you can see the difference.
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    #1099

    Aug 19, 2013, 09:03 AM
    Even you can see the difference.
    We were hoping that you could see the point that's it's not a left/right thing - there are fanatical weirdos on both sides. Don't you agree?
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    Aug 19, 2013, 09:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    We were hoping that you could see the point that's it's not a left/right thing - there are fanatical weirdos on both sides. Don't you agree?
    a) I believe I'm the only one that said I don't tolerate it on any side

    b) I didn't know you spoke for Tal.

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