[speechlesstx]

It's come to this... Seattle has decided that the words 'citizen' and 'brown-bag' are offensive.

City officials urge ban on 'potentially offensive' language | Local & Regional | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News

Apparently the state of Washington has also banned the use of gender specific words like journeyman and penmanship. I believe unions are the worst offenders when it comes to the use of 'journeyman'. I'm just sayin'.

The good news is apparently there are still some citizens of Seattle that find it ridiculous and will still brown-bag it.

[talaniman]

Without unions to set the wage scale, you would be a cheap slave with no benefits.

[speechlesstx]

Without unions to set the wage scale, you would be a cheap slave with no benefits.

No one denies unions did some good but this isn't the 1930s, they exist now chiefly to fatten the wallets of union leaders and do the bidding of their political cronies. Exactly the sort of thing you whine about daily when it comes to corporations. Without unions Detroit might be solvent.

George Will...

Detroit’s population, which is 62 percent smaller than in 1950, has contracted less than the United Auto Workers membership, which was more than 1 million in 1950, and now is around 390,000. Auto industry executives, who often were invertebrate mediocrities, continually bought labor peace by mortgaging their companies’ futures in surrenders to union demands. Then city officials gave their employees — who have 47 unions, including one for crossing guards — pay scales comparable to those of autoworkers. Thus did private-sector decadence drive public-sector dysfunction — government negotiating with government-employees’ unions that are government organized as an interest group to lobby itself to do what it wants to do: Grow.

Steven Rattner, who administered the bailout of part of the Detroit-based portion of America’s automobile industry, says “apart from voting in elections, the 700,000 remaining residents of the Motor City are no more responsible for Detroit’s problems than were the victims of Hurricane Sandy for theirs.” Congress, he says, should bail out Detroit because “America is just as much about aiding those less fortunate as it is about personal responsibility.”

There you have today’s liberalism: Human agency, hence responsibility, is denied. Apart from the pesky matter of “voting in elections” — apart from decades of voting to empower incompetents, scoundrels and criminals, and to mandate unionized rapacity — no one is responsible for anything. Popular sovereignty is a chimera because impersonal forces akin to hurricanes are sovereign.

The restoration of America’s vitality depends on, among many other things, avoiding the bottomless sinkhole that would be created by the federal government rescuing one-party cities, and one-party states such as Illinois, from the consequences of unchecked power. Those consequences of such power — incompetence, magical thinking, cynicism, and sometimes criminality — are written in Detroit’s ruins.

http://www.pal-item.com/article/2013...nclick_check=1

But obviously this is another lesson liberals have not learned.

[talaniman]

Your right wing blogger is full of crap. As usual. And I wasn't referring to the 1930's, I was specifically talking about YOUR wages now.

[speechlesstx]

Your right wing blogger is full of crap. As usual. And I wasn't referring to the 1930's, I was specifically talking about YOUR wages now.

George Will is not a right wing blogger, he's a Pulitzer Prize winner with a doctorate in politics from Princeton. And no it isn't the thirties any more, that's the point. Unions aren't needed. I do just fine and have never been a union member.

[NeedKarma]

a doctorate in politics from Princeton

Stupid useless liberal education

[talaniman]

George Will is not a right wing blogger, he's a Pulitzer Prize winner with a doctorate in politics from Princeton. And no it isn't the thirties any more, that's the point. Unions aren't needed. I do just fine and have never been a union member.

But you have benefited from unions and you cannot ignore that as bad as you want to. I would say unions are exactly what minimum wage workers need right now.

Stupid useless liberal education

Wingers live by different values and principles NK, they are always right, and everyone else is wrong.

[speechlesstx]

But you have benefited from unions and you cannot ignore that as bad as you want to. I would say unions are exactly what minimum wage workers need right now.



Wingers live by different values and principles NK, they are always right, and everyone else is wrong.

Again, unions are unnecessary today and they exist to fatten union leaders wallets and do Democrats bidding. The exact kind of cronyism you deplore on a daily basis. Plus, we aren't the ones claiming you were duped by a dufus.

[talaniman]

Fast food worker and even other minimum wage workers are increasingly striking and protesting here, so yeah they will eventually get a fair value for there time and effort if they stick to it. Reminds me of the good old days and how employer health insurance came about.

Yes we still need union, more now than before.*

The exact kind of cronyism you deplore on a daily basis. Plus, we aren't the ones claiming you were duped by a dufus.

Fair wages, and equal protection under the law, and value of a living wage isn't cronyism. It's the American way so don't twist it around for your own purpose. And don't suggest we are fair weather friend for our support of this president or his effort no matter the right wing spin. We know he isn't perfect, none of us is and no president ever was.

His supporters know full well the right wing is as relentless a it I loud.


*Same response from another thread.

[cdad]

Fast food worker and even other minimum wage workers are increasingly striking and protesting here, so yeah they will eventually get a fair value for there time and effort if they stick to it. Reminds me of the good old days and how employer health insurance came about.

Yes we still need union, more now than before.*



Fair wages, and equal protection under the law, and value of a living wage isn't cronyism. Its the American way so don't twist it around for your own purpose. And don't suggest we are fair weather friend for our support of this president or his effort no matter the right wing spin. We know he isn't perfect, none of us is and no president ever was.

His supporters know full well the right wing is as relentless a it I loud.


*Same response from another thread.

So what wage limit are you calling for to pay these workers? $25 an hour? What?


This president has been a miserable failure and it seems he's just a puppet with someone else's arm up his to make him speak.

[paraclete]

Stupid useless liberal education

Better a liberal education than no education at all, you all!

[cdad]

We knew this was coming. I wonder how long before it comes home to roost?

Gay Couple Set to Sue Church of England Over Refusal to Offer Same-Sex Nuptials

[tomder55]

It's come to this... Seattle has decided that the words 'citizen' and 'brown-bag' are offensive.

City officials urge ban on 'potentially offensive' language | Local & Regional | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News

Apparently the state of Washington has also banned the use of gender specific words like journeyman and penmanship. I believe unions are the worst offenders when it comes to the use of 'journeyman'. I'm just sayin'.

The good news is apparently there are still some citizens of Seattle that find it ridiculous and will still brown-bag it.

You see... citizen and brown bag are 'old school'... Rachel Jeantel told me that .
Morgan Freeman is a victim of this madness too... he no longer can use the words 'black hole' when discussing the universe on his show

[paraclete]

Unbelievable

[NeedKarma]

hes just a puppet with someone elses arm up his to make him speak.

This is true of all your politicians.

[speechlesstx]

As I said I've never been a union member and I do just fine. If anything I'll do worse thanks to your president's health care fiasco which unions aren't even happy with.

[paraclete]

I6 is not true of my politicians

[talaniman]

As I said I've never been a union member and I do just fine. If anything I'll do worse thanks to your president's health care fiasco which unions aren't even happy with.

They will be when the particular issues they have are resolved, which they will be. For example, workers who have seasonal jobs will likely keep what they have.

Again you conflate specific issues to be resolved with hating the whole law. Not being in a union is your choice, others can make their own.

[paraclete]

Bull crap

[cdad]

They will be when the particular issues they have are resolved, which they will be. For example, workers who have seasonal jobs will likely keep what they have.

Again you conflate specific issues to be resolved with hating the whole law. Not being in a union is your choice, others can make their own.

So you think that they should be a protected class of persons just because they are in a union? That is what your suggesting because their main complaint is the penalty they have to pay for their "cadillac" premium plans they have enjoyed because of their negotiations.