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tomder55 · Jun 30, 2013, 08:53 AM

It is early in the process. At least Ex admits that given the scenario I laid out ,it is indeed voter suppression by the party in power.

excon · Jun 30, 2013, 09:01 AM

Hello again, tom:

At least Ex admits that given the scenario I laid out ,it is indeed voter suppression by the party in power.

It's dirty tricks worthy of jail. The only thing you lack is PROOF.. Bummer that you ain't got any.

Yawwwwwwwwn.

Excon

tomder55 · Jun 30, 2013, 05:39 PM

Issa's Committee voted on Friday that Lois Lerner waived her Fifth Amendment rights during a hearing last month .After Lerner read her opening statement, Rep. Trey Gowdy argued that she'd waived her Fifth Amendment rights and should be compelled to testify. Issa decided to recess the hearing rather than adjourn, which means that Lerner is still under the original subpoena.
The Friday vote paves the way for the committee to bring Lerner back to Congress and force her to answer questions from lawmakers or face contempt charges .

excon · Jun 30, 2013, 06:02 PM

Hello again, tom:

Issa's Committee voted on Friday that Lois Lerner waived her Fifth Amendment rights during a hearing last month

Hello again, tom:

Good thing her rights aren't dependent on a committee vote.

I listened to Gowdy on the weekend shows... First off, he says he CAN'T make her talk, which is absolutely UNTRUE.. Then he mentions use immunity, but said he's not going to offer it unless he KNOWS what she's going to say.. So, he's going to compel her to tell him what she knows BEFORE he gives her immunity for telling him...

Wha??

Excon

tomder55 · Jul 1, 2013, 05:56 AM

My take is simpler . She testified under oath .Once she made an opening statement then she effectively waved her right to plea the 5th . But since the WH is stonewalling she's covered . If the House charges contempt then the case goes to Holder's Justice Dept for investigation. WE know how far that will go . He of course has already been charged by the House with the same and will do nothing .
Since it is impossible to force the adm to appoint an independent prosecutor ,then most likely they will get away with it . But you should stop your meme that we isn't got nothing . What " we " don't have is the power to force the adm to investigate itself in a fair and impartial manner .
The only card Congress has is the power of the purse . And I don't think Speaker Bonehead has the stones to defund the IRS . The other possibility would be to create a constitutional crisis by having the Sergeant at Arms of Congress arrest her .The House has arrested and held executive-branch officials twice in U.S. history.A more feeble response would be for the House to sue and let the courts handle it .
None of this will happen of course . The very least they should do is call her back and force her to plea the 5th to a thousand + questions.Let her sit though a marathon hearing while one member of the committee after another grill her.

talaniman · Jul 1, 2013, 06:49 AM

In the meantime you will get release of the transcript from questioning of the other witnesses called so far, that paint a picture that Issa doesn't want to reveal, or discuss.

Cummings Releases Transcripts of IRS Interviews

Dana Milbank: Issa

There doesn't see too be a full story with you guys, only your version.

speechlesstx · Jul 1, 2013, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

In the meantime you will get release of the transcript from questioning of the other witnesses called so far, that paint a picture that Issa doesn't want to reveal, or discuss.

Cummings Releases Transcripts of IRS Interviews

Dana Milbank: Issa

There doesn't see too be a full story with you guys, only your version.

There was no there, there with Cummings' attempt to undermine the investigation. That's the whole argument for every scandal in this administration, "nothing to see here, move on."

Nice try, but let's finish the investigation and watch Democrats running for reelection on their defense of the IRS.

talaniman · Jul 1, 2013, 07:15 AM

Cool with me.

excon · Jul 1, 2013, 07:26 AM

Hello again, tom:

The only card Congress has is the power of the purse . And I don't think Speaker Bonehead has the stones to defund the IRS . The other possibility would be to create a constitutional crisis by having the Sergeant at Arms of Congress arrest her .

It's just not true. You, make it sound like congress is feckless, and has NO power to carry out its constitutional mandates... King Obama REIGNS...

But, if all you wanted to do was SOUND tough, you'd say the things you and Gowdy, and Issa are saying... If you wanted to KNOW what actually happened, you'd stop talking and go to work.. You'd SUBPOENA her. You'd give her USE IMMUNITY. Then if she didn't answer EVERYTHING, the committee asks, the sergeant at arms puts her in jail for contempt of congress. If it causes a constitutional crisis, then that's what it's SUPPOSED to do. If Obama is a CROOK, and a LIAR, and CORRUPT, it's HE who is causing the constitutional crisis - NOT congress...

But, if you KNEW you were dead in the water, and you KNEW there's no there, there, then you'd SOUND tough, and throw up your hands and DO nothing... Kind of like you're doing.

Excon

tomder55 · Jul 1, 2013, 07:26 AM

What about the testimony of Elizabeth Hofacre, or Gary Muthert ? Who at the IRS,developed the intrusive and exhaustive questions that were sent to the TP groups? Why did so many of those groups have to wait years for their applications to be processed, and why are many more still waiting? Who were the IRS officials in Washington directing the Cincinnati agents targeting theTP groups ?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...pinion_LEADTop
Cummings can run intereference for the adm all he wants to... he is just another cog in the coverup . Until we know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and donors, what Lerner, Schulman, and the White House knew and when they knew it, whether this is still going on, and what is being done to ensure it never happens again, the case isn't closed. You can yawn all you want to ,but even Cummings admits the case isn't closed .
Rep. Elijah Cummings clarifies: IRS case not 'solved' - Rachael Bade - POLITICO.com

tomder55 · Jul 1, 2013, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:
It's just not true. You, make it sound like congress is feckless, and has NO power to carry out its constitutional mandates... King Obama REIGNS...

But, if all you wanted to do was SOUND tough, you'd say the things you and Gowdy, and Issa are saying... If you wanted to KNOW what actually happened, you'd stop talking and go to work.. You'd SUBPOENA her. You'd give her USE IMMUNITY. Then if she didn't answer EVERYTHING, the committee asks, the sergeant at arms puts her in jail for contempt of congress. If it causes a constitutional crisis, then that's what it's SUPPOSED to do. If Obama is a CROOK, and a LIAR, and CORRUPT, it's HE who is causing the constitutional crisis - NOT congress...

But, if you KNEW you were dead in the water, and you KNEW there's no there, there, then you'd SOUND tough, and throw up your hands and DO nothing... Kinda like you're doing.

excon

Why offer her immunity ? What if you are right and the chain ends with her ? Then there is no accountability . She don't need immunity if she did nothing wrong.

excon · Jul 1, 2013, 07:46 AM

Hello again, tom:

why offer her immunity ? What if you are right and the chain ends with her ?

It depends. Does Issa want BLOOD, or the truth..

Excon

tomder55 · Jul 1, 2013, 08:00 AM

I wonder if you were saying the same thing when they gave immunity to Ollie North. Nahh treat it like the criminal investigation it is . I'd have a sit down with her and her lawyer and give her a heads up about what she can expect if she continues to stonewall. Maybe they can work out a limited immunity deal . But full immunity... no way !

speechlesstx · Jul 1, 2013, 08:01 AM

Hard to get truth from an entire administration that knows nothing, doesn't recall, can't remember, or just doesn't have an answer.

Now that's what I call transparency.

tomder55 · Jul 3, 2013, 04:32 AM

And the cover-up/stonewalling continues :

More than a month and a half after it was announced that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) would launch an investigation into the Internal Revenue Service's (IRS) targeting of conservative groups, the groups and their legal representatives are still waiting to hear from the FBI.

FBI Still Hasn't Contacted IRS-Targeted Tea Party Groups About Investigation | CNS News

paraclete · Jul 3, 2013, 05:06 AM

Are you complaining about procedure? Do you think investigation is conducted by interviewing complainants when what is been investigated is the internal procedures?

Just looking at a date on an application will tell them what the complainant will tell them, it's been a long time

tomder55 · Jul 3, 2013, 05:11 AM

Huh ? You conduct an investigation without interviewing the victim ?

paraclete · Jul 3, 2013, 05:18 AM

I get the idea this is a victimless crime, I think the FBI are trying to decide if a crime has been committed and if so by who. I doubt the victim can identify the perp

tomder55 · Jul 3, 2013, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

I get the idea this is a victimless crime, I think the FBI are trying to decide if a crime has been committed and if so by who. I doubt the victim can identify the perp

It is not victimless . Hundreds of conservative and Christian groups were denied equal protection of the law. If this happened to an organization like NAACP I assure you the Holder Justice Dept would be all over this .

speechlesstx · Jul 3, 2013, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

I get the idea this is a victimless crime, I think the FBI are trying to decide if a crime has been committed and if so by who. I doubt the victim can identify the perp

Victimless? One 'non-victim' had 17 encounters with the government including the FBI, IRS, OSHA, Commission on Environmental Quality, and the ATF after applying for the exemption.. I remember the president personally intervening when a belligerent black professor was arrested for refusing to cooperate with police.This goes way beyond that.