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Jun 27, 2013, 09:13 AM
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 Originally Posted by talaniman
Your assumptions are wrong and its quite a stretch to take questioning of the process as I don't care.
Then how about an answer? It's not like you haven't had opportunity. One more time...
Why should an abortion clinic that performs surgical abortions not be regulated like any other surgery center?
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Jun 27, 2013, 09:30 AM
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Look I get that safety should be first, but the standards of that safety at this time appears both arbitrary, and capricious designed to eliminate not facilitate.
It should be but to be clearer for you the way Perry and repubs are going about it SUCKS!!
Now what's YOUR plan, or theirs for the servicing the needs of current clients.
It's their plan and to my knowledge there is no contingency for the affected people. Why would that be if they were putting woman first?
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Jun 27, 2013, 09:37 AM
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 Originally Posted by talaniman
It should be but to be clearer for you the way Perry and repubs are going about it SUCKS!!!!!
Now what's YOUR plan, or theirs for the servicing the needs of current clients.
Its their plan and to my knowledge there is no contingency for the affected people. Why would that be if they were putting woman first?
Well that was like pulling teeth, but now we're getting somewhere.
I already said (again something like five times) that if there is no compliance window that's wrong. So what's the compliance window? Been asking that since you said it was "immediate."
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Jun 27, 2013, 08:16 PM
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 Originally Posted by talaniman
So much for abortion why should it be facilitated
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Jun 28, 2013, 07:50 AM
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FYI if you didn't know, Texas is taking another shot at protecting the lives of women and ending the death and dismemberment of babies after 20 weeks. I doubt the mob will prevail this time.
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Jun 28, 2013, 07:59 AM
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Hello again, Pretender:
Texas will probably succeed at closing 50 something abortion clinics, and you can PRETEND that the women who NEEDED them will be very well protected..
But, it makes NO sense to me. Of course, I'm HUMAN.
excon
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Jun 28, 2013, 08:21 AM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Pretender:
Texas will probably succeed at closing 50 something abortion clinics, and you can PRETEND that the women who NEEDED them will be very well protected..
But, it makes NO sense to me. Of course, I'm HUMAN.
excon
Since abortion is big business I see no problem why they can't make the needed upgrades by September of next year. I mean come on, they are all about women's health CARE and making abortion "safe" and "rare" right?
That is what a HUMAN would do, not throw a temper tantrum to maintain the right to smash, rip and tear 20 week old babies limb from limb.
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Jun 28, 2013, 08:38 AM
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Hello again, Pretender:
Since abortion is big business I see no problem why they can't make the needed upgrades by September of next year.
Providing health care and family services to POOR people is NOT profitable. But, you may PRETEND that it is.
You may also PRETEND that the women you're leaving WITHOUT any health care whatsoever, will bare their babies instead of reaching out for the nearest coat hanger..
Over to you, Pretender.
Excon
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Jun 28, 2013, 08:48 AM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Pretender:
Providing health care and family services to POOR people is NOT profitable. But, you may PRETEND that it is.
You may also PRETEND that the women you're leaving WITHOUT any health care whatsoever, will bear their babies instead of reaching out for the nearest coat hanger..
Over to you, Pretender.
excon
It's profitable enough that the "non-profit" largest abortion provider in the country can pay its CEO a $400k salary.
Just admit it dude, you don't think women deserve the same standard of care as everyone else.
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Jun 28, 2013, 09:20 AM
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It's profitable enough that the "non-profit" largest abortion provider in the country can pay its CEO a $400k salary.
That's minuscule compared to what other CEOs get paid.
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Jun 28, 2013, 09:27 AM
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Need a list of Non-Profit hospital CEO's? How about banks, insurance companies, or Walmart's.
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Jun 28, 2013, 09:30 AM
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 Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Just admit it dude, you don't think women deserve the same standard of care as everyone else.
If there are no clinics, there is no standard of care. Women are left to their own devices.
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Jun 28, 2013, 09:31 AM
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
That's minuscule compared to what other CEOs get paid.
Ex: "Providing health care and family services to POOR people is NOT profitable"
Apparently it is, what other CEOs make is irrelevant.
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Jun 28, 2013, 09:32 AM
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The next woman I know who has medical complications I'll remind ...."at least you have abortion rights " .When she gives me a puzzled look I'll remind her that access to abortions is access to women's health.
Women get ill and die from many things . The leading causes are things like heart disease cancer ,strokes.. things like that . Lack of abortion access is probably very low on the list of things that cause women's deaths .
So this rhetoric about denying abortions being equated to denying women health care is spin at best and it comes from this equating pregnancy with a disease I guess.
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Jun 28, 2013, 09:52 AM
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Apparently it is, what other CEOs make is irrelevant.
It is when you want to put things in perspective. It isn't why it derails your point.
And stop stalking me.
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Jun 28, 2013, 10:27 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
the next woman I know who has medical complications I'll remind ...."at least you have abortion rights " .When she gives me a puzzled look I'll remind her that access to abortions is access to women's health.
Women get ill and die from many things . The leading causes are things like heart disease cancer ,strokes ..things like that . Lack of abortion access is probably very low on the list of things that cause womens deaths .
So this rhetoric about denying abortions being equated to denying women health care is spin at best and it comes from this equating pregnancy with a disease I guess.
So now you tell them what they can have access to? Abortion, and the related complications from pregnancy are but part of the equation. Give it ALL to them, whatever they need when they need it.
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Jun 28, 2013, 10:28 AM
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 Originally Posted by talaniman
So now you tell them what they can have access to? Abortion, and the related complications from pregnancy are but part of the equation. Give it ALL to them, whatever they need when they need it.
Sorry ,got to draw a line on taking someone else's life for the convenience of their parents .
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Jun 28, 2013, 10:29 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
sorry ,gotta draw a line on taking someone elses life for the convenience of their parents .
But when that child is 18, let's send him off to war.
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Jun 28, 2013, 10:30 AM
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got to draw a line on taking someone else's life
Apparently it's not or it would be legally murder. I know we'll never agree on this.
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