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    #201

    Jun 27, 2013, 09:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Your assumptions are wrong and its quite a stretch to take questioning of the process as I don't care.
    Then how about an answer? It's not like you haven't had opportunity. One more time...

    Why should an abortion clinic that performs surgical abortions not be regulated like any other surgery center?
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    Jun 27, 2013, 09:30 AM
    Look I get that safety should be first, but the standards of that safety at this time appears both arbitrary, and capricious designed to eliminate not facilitate.
    It should be but to be clearer for you the way Perry and repubs are going about it SUCKS!!

    Now what's YOUR plan, or theirs for the servicing the needs of current clients.

    It's their plan and to my knowledge there is no contingency for the affected people. Why would that be if they were putting woman first?
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    #203

    Jun 27, 2013, 09:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    It should be but to be clearer for you the way Perry and repubs are going about it SUCKS!!!!!

    Now what's YOUR plan, or theirs for the servicing the needs of current clients.

    Its their plan and to my knowledge there is no contingency for the affected people. Why would that be if they were putting woman first?
    Well that was like pulling teeth, but now we're getting somewhere.

    I already said (again something like five times) that if there is no compliance window that's wrong. So what's the compliance window? Been asking that since you said it was "immediate."
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    Jun 27, 2013, 07:37 PM
    Ohio Senate passes budget bill with anti-abortion measures - News - WIN 98.5 Your Country - WNWN FM - Battle Creek, MI

    The Ohio Senate on Thursday passed a $61.7 billion two-year budget which includes controversial amendments that would limit federal funds for Planned Parenthood and ban public hospitals from having patient transfer agreements with abortion clinics... In addition, the bill would prohibit doctors who have rights to practice at a public hospital from also working at an abortion clinic, and block transfer agreements between abortion clinics and public hospitals.

    Clinics enter into transfer agreements if more care is needed than the clinic can provide, and cannot operate unless the agreements are in place.
    Ohio Abortion Opponents Try New Tactic to Curb Clinics - Bloomberg

    So much for health and safety.
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    #205

    Jun 27, 2013, 08:16 PM
    So much for abortion why should it be facilitated
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    #206

    Jun 28, 2013, 07:50 AM
    FYI if you didn't know, Texas is taking another shot at protecting the lives of women and ending the death and dismemberment of babies after 20 weeks. I doubt the mob will prevail this time.
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    Jun 28, 2013, 07:59 AM
    Hello again, Pretender:

    Texas will probably succeed at closing 50 something abortion clinics, and you can PRETEND that the women who NEEDED them will be very well protected..

    But, it makes NO sense to me. Of course, I'm HUMAN.

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    #208

    Jun 28, 2013, 08:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Pretender:

    Texas will probably succeed at closing 50 something abortion clinics, and you can PRETEND that the women who NEEDED them will be very well protected..

    But, it makes NO sense to me. Of course, I'm HUMAN.

    excon
    Since abortion is big business I see no problem why they can't make the needed upgrades by September of next year. I mean come on, they are all about women's health CARE and making abortion "safe" and "rare" right?

    That is what a HUMAN would do, not throw a temper tantrum to maintain the right to smash, rip and tear 20 week old babies limb from limb.
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    Jun 28, 2013, 08:38 AM
    Hello again, Pretender:

    Since abortion is big business I see no problem why they can't make the needed upgrades by September of next year.
    Providing health care and family services to POOR people is NOT profitable. But, you may PRETEND that it is.

    You may also PRETEND that the women you're leaving WITHOUT any health care whatsoever, will bare their babies instead of reaching out for the nearest coat hanger..

    Over to you, Pretender.

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    #210

    Jun 28, 2013, 08:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Pretender:

    Providing health care and family services to POOR people is NOT profitable. But, you may PRETEND that it is.

    You may also PRETEND that the women you're leaving WITHOUT any health care whatsoever, will bear their babies instead of reaching out for the nearest coat hanger..

    Over to you, Pretender.

    excon
    It's profitable enough that the "non-profit" largest abortion provider in the country can pay its CEO a $400k salary.

    Just admit it dude, you don't think women deserve the same standard of care as everyone else.
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    Jun 28, 2013, 09:20 AM
    It's profitable enough that the "non-profit" largest abortion provider in the country can pay its CEO a $400k salary.
    That's minuscule compared to what other CEOs get paid.
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    #212

    Jun 28, 2013, 09:27 AM
    Need a list of Non-Profit hospital CEO's? How about banks, insurance companies, or Walmart's.
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    Jun 28, 2013, 09:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Just admit it dude, you don't think women deserve the same standard of care as everyone else.
    If there are no clinics, there is no standard of care. Women are left to their own devices.
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    #214

    Jun 28, 2013, 09:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    That's minuscule compared to what other CEOs get paid.
    Ex: "Providing health care and family services to POOR people is NOT profitable"

    Apparently it is, what other CEOs make is irrelevant.
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    Jun 28, 2013, 09:32 AM
    The next woman I know who has medical complications I'll remind ...."at least you have abortion rights " .When she gives me a puzzled look I'll remind her that access to abortions is access to women's health.
    Women get ill and die from many things . The leading causes are things like heart disease cancer ,strokes.. things like that . Lack of abortion access is probably very low on the list of things that cause women's deaths .

    So this rhetoric about denying abortions being equated to denying women health care is spin at best and it comes from this equating pregnancy with a disease I guess.
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    #216

    Jun 28, 2013, 09:52 AM
    Apparently it is, what other CEOs make is irrelevant.
    It is when you want to put things in perspective. It isn't why it derails your point.

    And stop stalking me.
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    #217

    Jun 28, 2013, 10:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    the next woman I know who has medical complications I'll remind ...."at least you have abortion rights " .When she gives me a puzzled look I'll remind her that access to abortions is access to women's health.
    Women get ill and die from many things . The leading causes are things like heart disease cancer ,strokes ..things like that . Lack of abortion access is probably very low on the list of things that cause womens deaths .

    So this rhetoric about denying abortions being equated to denying women health care is spin at best and it comes from this equating pregnancy with a disease I guess.
    So now you tell them what they can have access to? Abortion, and the related complications from pregnancy are but part of the equation. Give it ALL to them, whatever they need when they need it.
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    #218

    Jun 28, 2013, 10:28 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    So now you tell them what they can have access to? Abortion, and the related complications from pregnancy are but part of the equation. Give it ALL to them, whatever they need when they need it.
    Sorry ,got to draw a line on taking someone else's life for the convenience of their parents .
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    #219

    Jun 28, 2013, 10:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    sorry ,gotta draw a line on taking someone elses life for the convenience of their parents .
    But when that child is 18, let's send him off to war.
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    #220

    Jun 28, 2013, 10:30 AM
    got to draw a line on taking someone else's life
    Apparently it's not or it would be legally murder. I know we'll never agree on this.

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