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    Jun 28, 2013, 06:11 AM
    Compared to what ?
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    Jun 28, 2013, 06:25 AM
    You can buy stuff on a secure server with a credit card but we can't vote on line? I registered to vote on line, bought my ID on line but can't vote online??

    You talk fraud, I say it's a smoke screen to hide discrimination. A hunters license is good enough to vote with, but a student ID isn't? A utility bill isn't an acceptable form of ID? One voting station to service 6500 people but one in the city to service 40,000, isn't discrimination?

    The real fraud is the tricks and traps to suppress votes of citizens. Doesn't matter which side does it.
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    Jun 28, 2013, 06:47 AM
    You can buy stuff on a secure server with a credit card but we can't vote on line? I registered to vote on line, bought my ID on line but can't vote online??
    You can get all your information hacked and stolen on line . How do you guarantee that your vote isn't being made by someone else... I already commented that registration without the requirement to prove eligibility creates a situation ripe for fraud. So no ,I don't think that online registration the way it is currently set up is sufficient to prevent fraud.


    You talk fraud, I say it's a smoke screen to hide discrimination.
    You can see what you want to see. That race card line of cr@p is always the left's argument of last resort .
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    Jun 28, 2013, 06:53 AM
    Of course no one has heard of electronic signatures, like they don't make bank transactions on line
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    Jun 28, 2013, 07:00 AM
    Rich guys can use a computer without worrying about fraud, why can't voters? You can get a banking app, but not a voting app?
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    Jun 28, 2013, 07:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Rich guys can use a computer without worrying about fraud, why can't voters? You can get a banking app, but not a voting app?
    My bank just set up a system whereby I have to give answers to FIVE security questions in order to get into my account online
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    Jun 28, 2013, 07:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The real fraud is the tricks and traps to suppress votes of citizens. Doesn't matter which side does it.
    Can I call 'em or what?
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    Jun 28, 2013, 07:13 AM
    Rich guys can use a computer without worrying about fraud, why can't voters? You can get a banking app, but not a voting app?
    Yeah right... there is a whole industry that has grown to combat computer fraud and theft .
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    Jun 28, 2013, 07:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    My bank just set up a system whereby I have to give answers to FIVE security questions in order to get into my account online
    And if applied to voting it would be considered suppression no doubt
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    Jun 28, 2013, 07:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    and if applied to voting it would be considered suppression no doubt
    Of course, that would be a burdensome barrier for blacks, poor and elderly or something.
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    Jun 28, 2013, 07:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    and if applied to voting it would be considered suppression no doubt
    I'm elderly and don't consider it suppression.
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    Jun 28, 2013, 07:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I'm elderly and don't consider it suppression.
    How about being required to show an ID?
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    Jun 28, 2013, 07:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I'm elderly and don't consider it suppression.
    Well when I see the reaction to the request for any form of proof that someone is eligible to vote and then think that someone would need to answer security questions before voting ;I predict that system won't fly.
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    Jun 28, 2013, 08:05 AM
    If you could do it from home and not stand in the heat/cold/rain/snow I think its do able. One of the reasons the right justifies ID's was you need one to have a bank account.
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    Jun 28, 2013, 09:17 AM
    If you could do it from home and not stand in the heat/cold/rain/snow I think its do able
    Across the globe people die for the right to stand on that line.
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    Jun 28, 2013, 09:45 AM
    Hello again, tom:

    Across the globe people die for the right to stand on that line.
    Banks used to be that way too. If the only way to get my money was to wait in line, I'd DIE for the right to stand in that line.. But, it ain't that way anymore.

    I'm CONVINCED that a country who can create secure online banking, can create secure online voting...

    Excon
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    Jun 28, 2013, 09:58 AM
    Like I said ;on line theft and fraud prevention and security is a big business and hardly 100% reliable .
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    Jun 28, 2013, 10:05 AM
    Are you secretly Amish Tom?
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    Jul 17, 2013, 07:11 PM
    Hello again,

    Our right wing friends tell us voter ID is to prevent voter fraud. But, once in a while they tell us the truth.

    Last year, Pennsylvania Republican House Leader Mike Turzai (R-PA) admitted that voter identification efforts were designed to suppress Democratic votes, telling a Republican Steering Committee meeting that Voter ID “is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”

    He was telling the truth.

    Romney ended up losing the state, but Republicans still believe that they successfully kept Democrats from supporting President Obama. As Pennsylvania's GOP Chairman Rob Gleason told Pennsylvania Cable Network earlier this week, the party “cut Obama by 5 percent” in 2012 and “probably Voter ID had helped a bit in that.”

    He's telling the truth too. It's not for voter fraud. It's to give Republicans an unfair advantage.. I guess they think their IDEAS won't win 'em anything at the ballot box.. That's why they have to cheat..

    excon
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    Jul 18, 2013, 07:47 AM
    You're always asking the wrong questions on this. The question is why do Democrats get so many fraudulent votes?

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