[talaniman]

And some states have outdated laws banning interracial marriages still, so what? The issue is now that it was challenged in court after the feds made a law for all the states to abide by in 1993.

[speechlesstx]

And some states have outdated laws banning interracial marriages still, so what? The issue is now that it was challenged in court after the feds made a law for all the states to abide by in 1993.

A form which can be changed, but I'm sure your side would not tolerate that. The question was, can you please explain to me the logic in having requirements while banning any mechanism to ensure those requirements are satisfied?

[talaniman]

The state can question the registration and have it disqualified. What else do you need?

[speechlesstx]

The state can question the registration and have it disqualified. What else do you need?

I get it, your side isn't much for making sure anyone is qualified for anything. Just look at their approach to home loans and electing presidents.

[tomder55]

There is nothing that says the state can't make the requirement for state and local elections... right ? I bet if Arizona rewrote their law so that it only applies to state and local elections ,the constitutionality of that would be challenged too.
You see... the left wants all types of proof for gun ownership ;which is at least as much a constitutional right as voting . But for voting ;all that's needed is swearing that you are a citizen... no id of any kind except perhaps a utility bill or a Costco club card.

[Wondergirl]

there is nothing that says the state can't make the requirement for state and local elections.....right ? I bet if Arizona rewrote their law so that it only applies to state and local elections ,the constitutionality of that would be challenged too.
You see ... the left wants all types of proof for gun ownership ;which is at least as much a constitutional right as voting . But for voting ;all that's needed is swearing that you are a citizen.... no id of any kind except perhaps a utility bill or a Costco club card.

So if there is national voter ID requirement, then a national gun registry is okay?

In Illinois, we have to prove who we are and our signature has to match what is on file when we vote.

[tomder55]

I did not say I was in favor ,or opposed to a national voter id. The real point is that the Constitution provides for the States creating voting standards . Although I sort of agree with Scalia's logic in the 'primacy clause' ;at the same token ,I could dispute the constitutionality of the motor voter law of which this decision was based .
The left wants it both ways in Arizona . Here they say Federal Law is primary regarding a law that has at best slight differences to Federal Law... but when it came to immigration enforcement ;and Arizona re-wrote its laws to comply and enforce Federal Immigration law ,it was the same fickle SCOTUS that ruled Arizona's law was unconstitutional because enforcing immigration law undermined federal law.

[talaniman]

Don't holler about what the left wants Tom, not with a 7-2 ruling.

[tomder55]

Scalia and Kennedy are wrong. Scalia in particular knows d@mn well that the constitution would not have been ratified if there were provisions that took vote eligibility powers away from the states. But it is clear to me that if you support this decision then you don't care if a voter is a citizen.

[paraclete]

It seems to me, Tom, that you are far from being the United States your title suggests. Why is there no uniformity in legislation and approach if, as you suggest, you are united. The rugged individualist approach gets you only so far. Have you forgotten that in unity there is strength

[tomder55]

We have a great country ! You can vote without proving eligibility ! Even a conservative like Scalia thinks that's a good idea ! You see ,it's such an unreasonable burden to have to show proof of citizenship . Works great with the Democrat "vote early ,vote often " scheme to turn this into a single party nation. I'm going to advise all my legal green card employees to apply for a motor voter registration and "swear " they are eligible . They are here legally . Why shouldn't they have the same rights as the illegals ? It's the honor system . Proof is not required .

[tomder55]

And yes ,the OBOTS do approve of voter ids... in Kenya (you can't make it up )



FACT SHEET: U.S. Support for Strengthening Democratic Institutions, Rule of Law, and Human Rights in Sub-Saharan Africa

In Kenya, the $53 million Yes Youth Can program empowers nearly one million Kenyan youth to use their voices for advocacy in national and local policy-making, while also creating economic opportunities. In advance of Kenya's March 2013 general elections, Yes Youth Can's “My ID My Life” campaign helped 500,000 youth obtain National identification cards, a prerequisite to voter registration, and carried out a successful nationwide campaign with Kenyan civic organizations to elicit peace pledges from all presidential aspirants.

FACT SHEET: U.S. Support for Strengthening Democratic Institutions, Rule of Law, and Human Rights in Sub-Saharan Africa | The White House

Yes Youth Can??

[talaniman]

I would look closely at there implementation process, and compare it to the republicans process. How much were you guys willing to spend in the last election cycle on programs and policies to make sure people got registered and had ID"s.

Wonder how long we have to wait in line with those ID's after repubs cancel early voting?

[smoothy]

Lines will be shorter... all the illegals won't have ID's to vote.

[tomder55]

You don't get it... there was long lines BECAUSE there was early voting .

[speechlesstx]

Who wants to cancel early voting? Vote early, vote often.

[paraclete]

You have to get smarter about this, in an electronic age why are there queues? Why can't you have dedicated web sites or even twitter voting? #votefor?? ; Voting could become all the rage among the young on Facebook everyone has a cell phone so send them a free ap, one that can only be used once

[cdad]

You have to get smarter about this, in an electronic age why are there queues? why can't you have dedicated web sites or even twitter voting? #votefor????????????; Voting could become all the rage among the young on Facebook everyone has a cell phone so send them a free ap, one that can only be used once

There is nothing smart about using the internet to vote unless you want to invite massive fraud. This generation that is coming forward only can pay attention to the last minute of tweets anyway.

[tomder55]

There is nothing smart about using the internet to vote unless you want to invite massive fraud. This generation that is coming forward only can pay attention to the last minute of tweets anyway.

Yes , Perhaps clete can link to the online voting system that the Aussies employ so he can demonstrate it's efficacy. There is already enough voter fraud with the motor votor application process.

[Tuttyd]

yes , Perhaps clete can link to the online voting system that the Aussies employ so he can demonstrate it's efficacy. There is already enough voter fraud with the motor votor application process.

Out voting system is efficient. However, no system is free of fraud. Are you taking fraud in comparative terms?