[excon]

Hello xx:

Following the Governments reasoning for gun ban legislation

Thanks. It's an excellent post. Could you possibly link me to this legislation you're speaking of? I'd like to read it.

Excon

[talaniman]

Nobody has banned guns but the issue before us is a process that makes it harder for loony's and criminals to get them. I guess the rhetoric about taking guns from lawful citizens keeps us from doing anything at all and perpetrates a distraction to the bigger issue of the wrong people getting them.

You righties assume that everybody who wants a gun is a lawful responsible citizen, and we know for fact that's not true. That assumption is getting people killed because you think the government wants your guns, instead of helping us get loony's and criminals.

The right wants NO process to separate the loony's from the healthy responsible citizens. Most people want that process through background checks so we at least can know the loony's who try to buy a gun, so we save lives. Why is that NOT a consensus compromise?

[excon]

Hello again, tal:

Why is that NOT a consensus compromise?

May I offer my OPINION as to what they'll say?

(1) A background check will lead to a gun registry.

(2) A gun registry will lead to confiscation.

(3) Confiscation will result in Obama making himself king.

(4) We're doomed..

(5) Listening to our phone calls, however, will make us safer.

Excon

[paraclete]

Hello again, tal:
May I offer my OPINION as to what they'll say??

(1) A background check will lead to a gun registry.

(2) A gun registry will lead to confiscation.

(3) Confiscation will result in Obama making himself king.

(4) We're doomed..

(5) Listening to our phone calls, however, will make us safer.

excon

Ex your logic is faulty in fact it doesn't follow that gun registration leads to confiscation. Obama is already a king, an elected king, he cannot make himself what he already is. If you are doomed it is because you think personal gun ownership will save you, Why don't you trade telephone privacy for the gun registry after all telephones are registered and no one has confiscated them

[xx-man]

Nobody has banned guns but the issue before us is a process that makes it harder for loony's and criminals to get them. I guess the rhetoric about taking guns from lawful citizens keeps us from doing anything at all and perpetrates a distraction to the bigger issue of the wrong people getting them.

You righties assume that everybody who wants a gun is a lawful responsible citizen, and we know for fact that's not true. That assumption is getting people killed because you think the government wants your guns, instead of helping us get loony's and criminals.

The right wants NO process to separate the loony's from the healthy responsible citizens. Most people want that process thru background checks so we at least can know the loony's who try to buy a gun, so we save lives. Why is that NOT a consensus compromise?

I agree 100% that no one wants loonies to have access to guns. You say that no one has banned guns? In New York city all semi automatic firearms are illegal... in the 1960's the city government issued a law to register all firearms for the sole purpose of the police to know who had fire arms when a domestic call in. Sounded reasonable... Most law abiding citizen complied and then in 1969 they passed the anti semi auto act... (the actual name of the law escapes me but PLEASE don't take my word for it look it up for yourself) which made all these legally owned guns illegal... and they then went around and confiscated them... that's history... not propaganda or here say...
And no I don't think everyone who owns a gun legally is of the utmost quality.. but I believe that some one who owns a fire arm... ANY FIREARM... should fist have to receive training to be proficient in the use said firearm, learn how to properly store and maintain that firearm and above all be trained thoroughly in the ramifications and consequence's of the use of that firearm in any and all situations... Furthermore a background check is positively essential for the purchase of any and all firearms... even if that person already owns a firearm(s).

And even further more... the assumption that no one want to separate the nuts from the trees is preposterous... it's the government itself that wishes to do little to nothing... except feel good laws that do little but make the public think they are doing something... if they fixed the problems of high crime rates and radical crazies shooting sprees and rampant drug use they would have no platform upon which to declare to have the answers to in order to be re elected... the answers are not very hard... it can be accomplished... just hard for the politicians to admit to and swallow!!

And that's all I have to say about that!

[xx-man]

Hello again, tal:
May I offer my OPINION as to what they'll say??

(1) A background check will lead to a gun registry.

(2) A gun registry will lead to confiscation.

(3) Confiscation will result in Obama making himself king.

(4) We're doomed..

(5) Listening to our phone calls, however, will make us safer.

excon

One quick comment... ALL LEGALLY PURCHASED FIREARMS ARE REGISTERED... no if's.. no and's.. and no but's... if any gun is purchased legally it is register. The FFL licensed gun dealer / broker MUST complete a government form with accurate information and submit that form along with a back ground check...
One last hing... we are all doomed.. in this game of life... no one gets out alive!

[Wondergirl]

One quick comment......ALL LEGALLY PURCHASED FIREARMS ARE REGISTERED

No, not the straw purchases at gun shows nor are private purchases.

[xx-man]

No, not the straw purchases at gun shows nor are private purchases.

Yes you are quite correct... privately owned guns, sold by owner sales,are not subject to these regulations... BUT... every person I know who has ever sold a firearm , even to friends and relatives , has documented proof of who they sold it to... just to protect themselves... but we need to transfer ownership of vehicles and houses and real propriety... why not firearms too..?

[cdad]

Yes you are quite correct...privately owned guns, sold by owner sales,are not subject to these regulations ...BUT.....every person I know who has ever sold a firearm , even to friends and relatives , has documented proof of who they sold it to.......just to protect themselves.........but we need to transfer ownership of vehicles and houses and real propriety...why not firearms too...??

Do you agree or disagree with a national gun registration ?

[paraclete]

Do you agree or disagree with a national gun registration ?

Of course he agrees, there is nothing unreasonable about it excepting perhaps the weight of registering 300,000,000 weapons

[speechlesstx]

Nobody has banned guns but the issue before us is a process that makes it harder for loony's and criminals to get them. I guess the rhetoric about taking guns from lawful citizens keeps us from doing anything at all and perpetrates a distraction to the bigger issue of the wrong people getting them.

You righties assume that everybody who wants a gun is a lawful responsible citizen, and we know for fact that's not true.

And we know for a fact that assertion is not true.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tal:
May I offer my OPINION as to what they'll say??

(1) A background check will lead to a gun registry.

(2) A gun registry will lead to confiscation.

(3) Confiscation will result in Obama making himself king.

(4) We're doomed..

(5) Listening to our phone calls, however, will make us safer.

excon

1) Schumer's bill was a backdoor registry... and we already have background checks.

2) I've already shown examples of that reality.

3) He already thinks he's king.

4) Not yet, we're looking out for you.

5) I never gave permission for total surveillance, but His Majesty apparently likes it now.

[talaniman]

You were right Ex.

[paraclete]

Yes Tal you are right he is totally confused by the gun lobby

[talaniman]

The gun lobby is on the wrong side of the will of the people and they will soon find out their bought politicians cannot save them this time.

[cdad]

The gun lobby is on the wrong side of the will of the people and they will soon find out their bought politicians cannot save them this time.

Let me get my violin. You only see your side and try to dominate the debate with lies. The truth is the 2nd amendment will stand and its not being taken away any time soon.

[paraclete]

It isn't about that, the founders didn't anticipate the lawless society you have today and the funny part is you think this is acceptable

[excon]

Hello again, dad:

The truth is the 2nd amendment will stand and its not being taken away any time soon.

The problem is comprehensive background checks don't do ANYTHING to "take away" the 2nd Amendment..

It's like I said "white", and you yelled at me for saying "black". Makes NO sense. No sense at all.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

You were right Ex.

The first two are documented in this thread, why deny the truth?

[speechlesstx]

The gun lobby is on the wrong side of the will of the people and they will soon find out their bought politicians cannot save them this time.

Yeah, Bloomy is on the job.

After gun bill's defeat, it's Democrats, not Republicans, paying the political price - The Washington Post