[Wondergirl]

I contend that 13-year-old girls should NOT be able to buy plan B over the counter without permission from their parent or legal guardian.

1. They have boyfriends their parents don't know about.
2. They're having sex with those boyfriends.
3. They are getting pregnant by those boyfriends.
4, They're either afraid of their parents or don't want to disappoint them or are too embarrassed to talk to their parents about any of the above.

Now what?

[NeedKarma]

Now what?

Hope.

[speechlesstx]

1. They have boyfriends their parents don't know about.
2. They're having sex with those boyfriends.
3. They are getting pregnant by those boyfriends.
4, They're either afraid of their parents or don't want to disappoint them or are too embarrassed to talk to their parents about any of the above.

Now what?

Your narrative is not the only narrative. I know you think it is but it isn't. I've made my position clear, you can continue your game with someone else.

[speechlesstx]

Hope.

I'm sorry you have no hope, that must really suck.

[tomder55]

Bet if he started praying then hope would follow .

[NeedKarma]

The word "hope" really doesn't mean anything or it can have any meaning you wish to assign to it. It certainly isn't an action word. I prefer to take control of my life, not leave it up to someone else and hope for the best.

My life is quite good actually, so good that I don't come on a forum and about everything that is wrong.

[talaniman]

Pray and hope the 13 year old that had sex last night ain't pregnant? Really that's all you got?

[Wondergirl]

Your narrative is not the only narrative. I know you think it is but it isn't. I've made my position clear, you can continue your game with someone else.

Game? You're the one playing the game by being cagey and avoiding responding with a rational answer. I sure wish you would give a definitive idea as to how to deal with 13 year olds (i.e. teens) who get pregnant, and especially those who keep their babies. How are they supposed to financially support them?

[talaniman]

The word "hope" really doesn't mean anything or it can have any meaning you wish to assign to it. It certainly isn't an action word. I prefer to take control of my life, not leave it up to someone else and hope for the best.

My life is quite good actually, so good that I don't come on a forum and about everything that is wrong.

Hope for the best, PLAN for the worse is my course of action.

[talaniman]

Righties may think they are smarter than a 5th grader, but them 6th graders are where they are lacking.

[speechlesstx]

Game? You're the one playing the game by being cagey and avoiding responding with a rational answer. I sure wish you would give a definitive idea as to how to deal with 13 year olds (i.e., teens) who get pregnant, and especially those who keep their babies. How are they supposed to financially support them?

We've been down that road enough, I have yours and Tal's responses memorized we've been down it so much.

I repeat, the issue is this, I contend that 13-year-old girls should NOT be able to buy plan B over the counter without permission from their parent or legal guardian.

You either agree or you don't.

[speechlesstx]

The word "hope" really doesn't mean anything or it can have any meaning you wish to assign to it. It certainly isn't an action word. I prefer to take control of my life, not leave it up to someone else and hope for the best.

My life is quite good actually, so good that I don't come on a forum and about everything that is wrong.

If I had used the word in the sense of having thrown my hands up and hoping for the best you might have a point, but that was not the usage. You can call it whatever you like but I bet you do the same thing. What, you have no faith in your children? You don't trust, believe, expect, wish, hope etc. that they'll do the right thing, make you proud?

[NeedKarma]

That's what I was talking about, the word can have any number of meanings. If I believe that my kids will do the right thing it's because I have instilled that in them.

[Wondergirl]

We've been down that road enough, I have yours and Tal's responses memorized we've been down it so much.

I repeat, the issue is this, I contend that 13-year-old girls should NOT be able to buy plan B over the counter without permission from their parent or legal guardian.

You either agree or you don't.

I agree. So your 13-year-old daughter has sex and the next morning is worried about pregnancy. She is too scared and embarrassed to talk to you about it. Then what?

[speechlesstx]

That's what I was talking about, the word can have any number of meanings. If I believe that my kids will do the right thing it's because I have instilled that in them.

And I think all of you knew that's what I was referring to.

[speechlesstx]

I agree. So your 13-year-old daughter has sex and the next morning is worried about pregnancy. She is too scared and embarrassed to talk to you about it. Then what?

I trust she'll do as she's been taught. Hopefully she would have no reason to fear coming to us - but in a rational world the law would require parental consent just as they do for so many other things.

I happen to believe parental consent laws are a good thing and there are typically mechanisms to bypass them if necessary. But as I said before there is a systematic effort to take parents out of the equation.

Parental Consent Laws are enacted on a state by state basis. They can be fought state by state too, so get involved.

Naral sees no use for parents, and Planned Parenthood believes requiring parental consent for an abortion is tantamount to "teen endangerment." Both see no problem with having a "loving grandmother" or someone whisking the kid across state lines to do that which their parents object to.

Of course neither group saw no problem with referring women to butchers like Gosnell so I'll stick with relying on parents to do what's best for their children. Most Americans agree with me on that:

Planned Parenthood fighting parental consent laws tooth and nail

by Cassy Fiano

June 3, 2013 (LiveActionNews.org) - Parental notification laws, where a minor is required to notify a parent before obtaining an abortion, are pretty popular. Most states have some form of them, requiring either that parents be given a heads-up first, or that they are the ones to consent to the procedure. And it makes sense that voters would feel so strongly about these laws: pro-life or pro-abortion, most parents don’t want their child getting a medical procedure of any kind done without their knowledge and consent.

A minor, almost anywhere in the country, is extremely restricted as to what they can do on their own. They can’t get their ears pierced, get a tattoo, even go to a tanning bed, without a parent’s approval first. Considering all that, it makes sense that parental notification/consent laws usually enjoy widespread voter support.

But for some reason, the abortion industry just cannot abide by them. They want your minor children to be able to come to them for abortions without you ever even knowing. A child can’t even go to the dentist without the parent’s approval, but getting an abortion, where a child will be a killed and the minor’s life will be at risk? Totally cool! The latest group seeking to circumvent the wishes of parents and voters is Planned Parenthood of Montana, which recently filed a lawsuit seeking to overturn two pairs of parental notification laws.

The lawsuit filed in state District Court in Helena targets two recently passed laws:

• One passed by Montana voters in 2012 requiring any girl under 16 to notify a parent before obtaining an abortion. The law, passed as a referendum placed on the ballot by the 2011 Legislature, took effect in January. It passed with 70.5 percent of the voters in favor.

• A bill passed by the 2013 Legislature that would supersede the current law, requiring all girls under 18 to get notarized parental consent before having an abortion. The law is scheduled to take effect July 1.

The suit asked District Judge Mike Menahan to block enforcement of the second law as of July 1 and void both of them as unconstitutional.

Who cares that an overwhelming majority of voters approved the first law? Planned Parenthood doesn’t like it, so by golly, it needs to be gone. It’s not like Planned Parenthood has a history of putting girls at risk by violating statutory rape laws, or giving them inaccurate medical information. Oh, wait…

As per usual, Planned Parenthood likes to pretend that they want to overturn these bills for the good of the minor. They’re just a bunch of big-hearted, caring folks looking out for the best interests of young girls everywhere, who might not be able to get an abortion because their parents are, like, abusive and stuff. Except, er, there are already judicial waivers present to avoid that very issue. Whoops. So what excuse do they really have, beyond that they want more young girls having abortions without their parents knowing about it, or caring about parental authority?

There is literally no other medical procedure that a minor can consent to on their own. Abortion is a purely elective procedure — a 16-year-old couldn’t decide they wanted to get breast implants without their parent’s permission first, or liposuction, or even non-elective procedures like, say, undergoing chemotherapy to treat cancer. Why, then, is abortion expected to be so different?

There is a reason that teenagers are not allowed to make virtually any major life decisions on their own. They are literally incapable of making long-term decisions and weighing risks the way that adults are. Their brains are not formed for it yet. A teenager is not likely to know that they could be sending themselves off to be butchered (just ask any number of LeRoy Carhart’s patients — or rather, their surviving families). A teenager is not likely to take the time to research fetal development and find out that the baby’s heart is already beating, or that it already has little fingers and toes.

A teenager is not likely to explore all of their options, like adoption or getting help in order to keep the baby through any number of charitable organizations, before going through with an irreversible action that, for many women, will haunt them the rest of their lives. This is why parental notification laws are needed, and are so popular. Voters like them. Parents like them. But scared teenage girls can bring in a lot of money to abortion centers, so who cares?

The only people against parental notification laws, it turns out, are pro-abortion radicals, to whom abortion is so sacred that nothing must stand in the way — not even common sense.

So who do you trust with a scared teenage girl more, their parents or Planned Parenthood?

[Wondergirl]

I trust she'll do as she's been taught. Hopefully she would have no reason to fear coming to us.

But she IS afraid to come to you. She avoids talking about it, turns out to be pregnant, and is still too scared/embarrassed. Your wife notices your daughter is putting on weight. Now what?

[speechlesstx]

But she IS afraid to come to you. She avoids talking about it, turns out to be pregnant, and is still too scared/embarrassed. Your wife notices your daughter is putting on weight. Now what?

No she isn't and if she is I expect whoever she turns to to come to me. Beyond that we love her and support her as she brings a beautiful baby into the world. That's what we'd do, I don't know what you'd do.

Now answer the question, who do you trust with a scared teenage girl more, their parents or Planned Parenthood?

[Wondergirl]

No she isn't and if she is I expect whoever she turns to to come to me. Beyond that we love her and support her as she brings a beautiful baby into the world. That's what we'd do, I don't know what you'd do.

And you will pay for all the diapers, formula, baby furniture, medical costs, etc.

Now answer the question, who do you trust with a scared teenage girl more, their parents or Planned Parenthood?

Her parents would not know she is scared.

[speechlesstx]

And you will pay for all the diapers, formula, baby furniture, medical costs, etc.

What do you think we'd do?

Her parents would not know she is scared.

So parents are typically stupid?

The question was not would the parents know she's scared, it was who do you trust with a scared teenage girl more, their parents or Planned Parenthood?