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    Jun 12, 2013, 01:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Don't think I've met anyone as bitter as yourself.
    I guess you feel that all bad things must have a political motivation and someone is to blame. I don't share that train of thought.
    LOL, you don't know a thing about me and everything you convince yourself of is wrong. Get a grip, dude, I'm just correcting your mistakes. No one said anything about parents' political persuasion. The reference was to the culture that got us here and yes indeed that is political in nature.

    If you cared to check anything that doesn't match your preconceived notions or take things out of context you'd find that I have consistently defended the rights of parents regardless of their political beliefs. Even though I don't believe Plan B should be available OTC without age restriction and I believe there should be reasonable abortion restrictions, if someone wants to get their kid Plan B, force them to have an abortion, let them have sex with whoever they want that's none of my business. In return I expect the same respect for my way of parenting - i.e. don't undermine me based on YOUR political beliefs and morals.

    Feel free to explain to me how that's unfair or unreasonable. Given that REALITY if you do interfere you can damn well expect me to be bitter, and be ready for a fight. Unlike you I respect people who stand up for what they believe in even if I disagree. I don't have to respect their beliefs but I do respect their right to believe it.

    I expect no less in return. Got it?
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    #82

    Jun 13, 2013, 04:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    LOL, you don't know a thing about me and everything you convince yourself of is wrong. Get a grip, dude, I'm just correcting your mistakes. No one said anything about parents' political persuasion. The reference was to the culture that got us here and yes indeed that is political in nature.

    If you cared to check anything that doesn't match your preconceived notions or take things out of context you'd find that I have consistently defended the rights of parents regardless of their political beliefs. Even though I don't believe Plan B should be available OTC without age restriction and I believe there should be reasonable abortion restrictions, if someone wants to get their kid Plan B, force them to have an abortion, let them have sex with whoever they want that's none of my business. In return I expect the same respect for my way of parenting - i.e. don't undermine me based on YOUR political beliefs and morals.

    Feel free to explain to me how that's unfair or unreasonable. Given that REALITY if you do interfere you can damn well expect me to be bitter, and be ready for a fight. Unlike you I respect people who stand up for what they believe in even if I disagree. I don't have to respect their beliefs but I do respect their right to believe it.

    I expect no less in return. Got it?
    Are you saying that by providing services to young people this is tantamount to by-passing parental authority?

    Are you also saying that if we do away with these so-called anti-parenting services, then this will go a long way into reasserting parental authority once again?
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    #83

    Jun 13, 2013, 04:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    Are you saying that by providing services to young people this is tantamount to by-passing parental authority?
    No, eliminating or bypassing parental consent requirements for minor children undermines parental rights.

    Are you also saying that if we do away with these so-called anti-parenting services, then this will go a long way into reasserting parental authority once again?
    I don't believe I've even remotely attempted that connection.
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    Jun 13, 2013, 04:45 AM
    They live in afantasy world, tutt, they fail to realise that the new generation wants to explore without parental help and the only thing you can do is quaranteen them until they are 25
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    #85

    Jun 13, 2013, 04:48 AM
    PM asked 'absurd' question in interview

    The war on women stretches a little further with Gillards consort being accused of being gay, well he is certainly pu$sy whipped
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    #86

    Jun 13, 2013, 05:22 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    No, eliminating or bypassing parental consent requirements for minor children undermines parental rights.
    Yes, you certainly do things differently over there.

    Quote Originally Posted by speechlessx View Post

    I don't believe I've even remotely attempted that connection.
    Yes, I know. So I can take it that there is no conncetion?
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    Jun 13, 2013, 05:52 AM
    Hello again,

    GOP congressman Trent Franks: It’s hard to get pregnant from rape
    I didn't know that.. Did you?

    So, instead of working on jobs, your GOP is working on abortion WITHOUT an exception for rape. They just passed ANOTHER un-Constitutional bill that'll go NOWHERE. Oh, yeah. It includes medically unneeded ultrasound PROBING..

    But, there's no war on women...

    Excon
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    #88

    Jun 13, 2013, 06:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    I didn't know that.. Did you?

    So, instead of working on jobs, your GOP is working on abortion WITHOUT an exception for rape. They just passed ANOTHER un-Constitutional bill that'll go NOWHERE. Oh, yeah. It includes medically unneeded ultrasound PROBING..

    But, there's no war on women...

    excon
    Oh yes ex didn't you know the girl has to consent to get pregnant
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    #89

    Jun 13, 2013, 08:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    Yes, you certainly do things differently over there.
    You mean parents aren't parents where you are?

    Yes, I know. So I can take it that there is no conncetion?
    Tut, I don't even know what an "anti-parenting service" is. My contention is there has been a systematic effort by the left to undermine parental rights. I've previously elaborated on methods many times but no, the connecting issue is consent, not the availability of the service.
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    #90

    Jun 13, 2013, 09:15 AM
    Anybody can buy condoms at any age.
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    #91

    Jun 13, 2013, 10:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Anybody can buy condoms at any age.
    Well sir, maybe that's because it's basically a balloon or a large finger cot Hopefully most people won't ingest them or use them to end a pregnancy, Though if it weren't for the fact they were condoms I could see the nanny staters trying to protect us from them. Choking hazard, bad for the environment and especially dangerous as a water balloon - not to mention the biohazard of used condoms on public beaches and such.
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    #92

    Jun 13, 2013, 12:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Well sir, maybe that's because it's basically a balloon or a large finger cot Hopefully most people won't ingest them or use them to end a pregnancy, Though if it weren't for the fact they were condoms I could see the nanny staters trying to protect us from them. Choking hazard, bad for the environment and especially dangerous as a water balloon - not to mention the biohazard of used condoms on public beaches and such.
    But 6-year-old children can buy them!
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    #93

    Jun 13, 2013, 01:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    But 6-year-old children can buy them!
    Hmm, a piece of latex or chemicals ingested that can cause hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of the face, lips, tongue, or throat, nausea, diarrhea, stomach pain, dizziness, fatigue, breast pain or tenderness, changes in your menstrual periods, headache, hypertension, acne and other skin conditions, leukorrhea, vaginitis, dysmenorrhea, breast pain, abnormal pap smear and decreased libido, uterine/vaginal bleeding (including spotting, irregular bleeding, heavy bleeding, oligomenorrhea and amenorrhea), ovarian cysts, upper respiratory infection and sinusitis, weight gain, depression, back pain and angioedema?

    That comparison is a little "out there." Maybe you two should try another line of attack.
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    #94

    Jun 13, 2013, 01:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    That comparison is a little "out there." Maybe you two should try another line of attack.
    I figured as long as your 6-year-old children are buying Plan B...
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    Jun 13, 2013, 02:25 PM
    AndroGel Side Effects | Drugs.com

    Aspirin Side Effects | Drugs.com

    Everything seems to have a side effect. What do you think the side effects of old white guys telling females and minorities they aren't first class American citizens will be?
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    #96

    Jun 13, 2013, 02:48 PM
    Dudes, even if you don't think it's a big deal for THIS particular drug to be available to little girls without age restriction over the counter, what is the problem you have with parents who care about what drugs their minor child ingests?
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    Jun 13, 2013, 02:54 PM
    Hello again, Steve:

    what is the problem you have with parents who care about what drugs their minor child ingests?
    Tell your kids to just say NO.

    Excon
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    #98

    Jun 13, 2013, 02:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Dudes, even if you don't think it's a big deal for THIS particular drug to be available to little girls without age restriction over the counter, what is the problem you have with parents who care about what drugs their minor child ingests?
    I have no problem, but you live in a perfect world if you think far too many minor kids are going to listen to their parents and other adults.
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    Jun 13, 2013, 03:03 PM
    There are other drugs to deal with that too.
    19 percent of high school-age boys – ages 14 to 17 – in the U.S. have been diagnosed with ADHD and about 10 percent are taking medication for it. Ten percent of high school-age girls have likewise been diagnosed.


    The CDC survey completed last year found an estimated 6.4 million children ages 4 to 17 had been diagnosed at some point, a 53 percent increase over the past decade. Approximately two-thirds of those currently diagnosed have been prescribed drugs such as Ritalin or Adderall. Those drugs can help patients with both mild and severe symptoms, but they can also cause addiction, anxiety and psychosis.
    Radical increase in kids prescribed Ritalin
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    Jun 13, 2013, 03:09 PM
    I have no problem with parents who make it a priority to know what their child does and who they do it with. None whatsoever. I wish more would.

    Doesn't mean we should deny any female an option to abortions does it?

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