[speechlesstx]

Tal, it's clear that's how it works with this admin, they hold a gun to your head and say "hey, that's a nice business you have there, sure would hate for anything to happen to it." Then they make it very expensive and difficult to fight it so you pay the fine and get back to work.

Plus, the key here is it was a partisan witch hunt. Their Democrat donating competitor doing the same thing was left alone.

Again, get your head out of the sand.

[excon]

Hello again,

It IS interesting that right wingers call the government a BULLY when it pursues a corporation, but they LIKE it when peons like me get BULLIED.

Tal is SOOOOO right on, and you wingers are SOOOOO hypocritical...

excon

[NeedKarma]

They gave the bully their lunch money rather than keep getting beat up.

That happens every single day with patent trolls, the RIAA extortion suits, and pretty much anytime someone with deeper pockets wants to pick on a small prey to enrich themselves. The system needs to be fixed.

In the Gibson case $300,000 isn't an amount to make the company fail, but patent trolls and the RIAA regularly target small companies and individuals for the same amounts which do cause companies to close and people to declare bankruptcy.

[talaniman]

Tal, it's clear that's how it works with this admin, they hold a gun to your head and say "hey, that's a nice business you have therem sure would hate for anything to happen to it." Then they make it very expensive and difficult to fight it so you pay the fine and get back to work.

Plus, the key here is it was a partisan witch hunt. Their Democrat donating competitor doing the exact same thing was left alone.

Again, get your head out of the sand.

They had Email evidence and if Gibson did no wrong then the would have been compensated for lawyers and such. IF they fought and won, and would have recovered the seized property too. Spare me the excuses please.

Haven't you noticed that big companies always settle to make wrong doing go away. They can pass the cost onto the consumer.

Didn't you pay attention to the hearings for Big Oil, and Apple? You guys in congress slobbered all over them with apologies and accolades as they polluted, and hid tax money. And your heroes the Koch's just write a check every time they screw up, and keep screwing up.

When will the right stop hollering victim, and protecting the rights of wrong doers with money? Pardon me if I don't hold my breath.

[speechlesstx]

That happens every single day with patent trolls, the RIAA extortion suits, and pretty much anytime someone with deeper pockets wants to pick on a small prey to enrich themselves. The system needs to be fixed.

In the Gibson case $300,000 isn't an amount to make the company fail, but patent trolls and the RIAA regularly target small companies and individuals for the same amounts which do cause companies to close and people to declare bankruptcy.

No it isn't "much" to them, but they also spent $6 million in attorney fees when they should have been making Les Pauls.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again,

It IS interesting that right wingers call the government a BULLY when it pursues a corporation, but they LIKE it when peons like me get BULLIED.

Tal is SOOOOO right on, and you wingers are SOOOOO hypocritical...

excon

Dude, the hypocrisy is you and Tal's ambivalence toward the government's purely partisan application of the law. I have no dog in this hunt other than a government that's evenhanded that encourages opportunity, not using its sledgehammer to beat the admin's political opposition to a pulp. I don't give a damn who some CEO donates to, that's his right. You know if this were Bush you guys would bust a spleen, so don't talk to me about hypocrisy on this.

[talaniman]

They should have made those guitars legally then.

[excon]

Hello again, hypocrits:

It's absolutely TRUE that you believe a fellow in a 3 piece suit who sits on a board of directors, but you DON'T believe a dirt poor Mexican with tats, or a pants sagging black teenager.

We talked about this before... Bottom line is you absolutely believe that people from the hood should be in jail if they sell some crack, but GIBSON was bullied.

That's OK. You'll NEVER admit your blatant hypocrisy, but it's in our archives for all the world to see.

excon

[cdad]

They had Email evidence and if Gibson did no wrong then the would have been compensated for lawyers and such. IF they fought and won, and would have recovered the seized property too. Spare me the excuses please.

Haven't you noticed that big companies always settle to make wrong doing go away. They can pass the cost onto the consumer.

Didn't you pay attention to the hearings for Big Oil, and Apple? You guys in congress slobbered all over them with apologies and accolades as they polluted, and hid tax money. And your heroes the Koch's just write a check every time they screw up, and keep screwing up.

When will the right stop hollering victim, and protecting the rights of wrong doers with money? Pardon me if I don't hold my breath.

There is no guarantee that they can recover fees that involve fighting in federal courts. Its an option of the courts and has many rules to follow. Putting the business on hold while it is fought out in court wasn't an option for them nor is it an option for most. The email admitted nothing. It only pointed to a possible problem. This type of strong arm opposition that we have seen from this administration is setting new records for the types of politics ahead. Was Apple (whom I hate) actually doing anything wrong? No they weren't. The next time all of these idiots are up for a vote then my suggestion is that any that have been there for awhile no matter what party affiliation throw them out. Make a fresh start.


(PDF file)

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7...isc/94-970.pdf

[speechlesstx]

Tal, you have got to be kidding. Do you really believe this administration can do no wrong or are you just on board with betraying our rights and crushing the opposition at all cost?

[NeedKarma]

but they also spent $6 million in attorney fees when they should have been making Les Pauls.

That's their problem since they were clearly in violation:

Gibson also forfeited the wood seized in the raids

Seems cut and dried, no?

[cdad]

That's their problem since they were clearly in violation:
Seems cut and dried, no?

No not cut and dried at all. It was a move to allow the company to survive. There is way too much misunderstanding in government seizure of private property. They now want to take everything away for any slight infraction of the law. Its getting out of hand fast.

[NeedKarma]

It's not a government seizure of private property. Where do you get that idea?

[cdad]

It's not a government seizure of private property. Where do you get that idea?

They took the wood with them. They held it from the company so it could not be used in production. And now they are keeping it. That sounds like seizure to me. Estimated cost to the company for the wood $300,000.00

[talaniman]

A right wing company that got caught doing their illegal stuff decided to plead down should keep their ill gotten gains?

[cdad]

A right wing company that got caught doing their illegal stuff decided to plead down should keep their ill gotten gains?

When there was no proof of the claim made against them then no it shouldn't have been kept. The settlement shows a clerical error not that they actually took possession of an illegal item.

[NeedKarma]

They took the wood with them.

Border guards have been seizing thousands upon thousands of items at the borders everyday for decades, is that government seizure of private property?

[Wondergirl]

Border guards have been seizing thousands upon thousands of items at the borders everyday for decades, is that government seizure of private property?

What about at airports?

[talaniman]

When there was no proof of the claim made against them then no it shouldnt have been kept. The settlement shows a clerical error not that they actually took possesion of an illegal item.

And that make logical sense to lose property over a clerical error?

[NeedKarma]

Same thing. This government seizing private property has been going on for a very long time yet the right wing ignores it.


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