[Catsmine]

Didn't know any with stills...but that's not saying there wasn't any. Just nobody admitted to it.

'Tain't something you talk about. These days you don't talk about how many plants you got growing. Different gro-lights, yes, but not what's under them.

[paraclete]

Oh I don't know I have some lovely green plants in my front yard

[smoothy]

'Tain't something you talk about. These days you don't talk about how many plants you got growing. Different gro-lights, yes, but not what's under them.

True... but then most of the people I know there aren't drinkers... or just aren't quite close enough they would mention it. Mostly both of those two since I don't live in that area any more so I don't see them frequently enough.

[speechlesstx]

Joe Scarborough is apparently fretting over the thought that the IRS scandal might put a kink in the gun control push. It's a good point he raises, though probably for the wrong reason, but the IRS scandal doesn't exactly instill much confidence in trusting the government with private background check info. Missouri twice leaked info to the feds and you do recall media folks publishing permit holder info don't you?

If only libs weren't so naïve in putting their faith in government these scandals just might get us somewhere in scaling back the Leviathan and protecting our rights.

[speechlesstx]

Count Piers Morgan also among those having at least a slight change of heart...

“I’ve had some of the pro-gun lobbyists on here, saying to me, ‘Well, the reason we need to be armed is because of tyranny from our own government,’ and I’ve always laughed at them,” Morgan said last night. “But, actually, this is vaguely tyrannical behavior by the American government.”

Guest Penn Jillette agreed with his assessment: “I think that it shows you that how much we can trust the government and just sit back, which is not very much at all.”

I'll take "vaguely tyrannical" out of Morgan, but that "vaguely" part is only going to get worse as government expands Still got your heads in the sand?

P.S. I think you can count any new gun control out of the question. In fact, I bet there's another surge in gun sales. That's the only segment of the economy the left knows how to improve.

[cdad]

Count Piers Morgan also among those having at least a slight change of heart...



I'll take "vaguely tyrannical" out of Morgan, but that "vaguely" part is only going to get worse as government expands Still got your heads in the sand?

P.S. I think you can count any new gun control out of the question. In fact, I bet there's another surge in gun sales. That's the only segment of the economy the left knows how to improve.

Sorry but people are slowing down a bit on the gun sales due to government enforced false ammo shortage.

[Catsmine]

Sorry but people are slowing down a bit on the gun sales due to government enforced false ammo shortage.

Reloading supplies are through the roof, though.

[cdad]

Reloading supplies are through the roof, though.

Everything is as far as recreational shooting is. Its insane right now.

[tomder55]

Remember how all those buy back programs were going to get guns off the street ? Guns surrendered would be destroyed ? Well not quite .

St. Charles ;a suburb of Chi town has decided to put tsome of those guns back on the market by selling them to dealers . I wonder what the mark up is ?
St. Charles IL police selling buyback guns to licensed dealers - UPI.com

Again ;the is a suburb of Chi town ;a town that had 8 people shot on Thursday alone .

[cdad]

remember how all those buy back programs were going to get guns off the street ? Guns surrendered would be destroyed ? Well not quite .

St. Charles ;a suburb of Chi town has decided to put tsome of those guns back on the market by selling them to dealers . I wonder what the mark up is ?
St. Charles IL police selling buyback guns to licensed dealers - UPI.com

Again ;the is a suburb of Chi town ;a town that had 8 people shot on Thursday alone .

Lets make the place a little safer while we turn a profit at it. This just shows how govenments lie and talk through both sides of their mouth. You always have to be vigilant when the government is involved. I wonder if anyone is going to file suit for missuse of government funds?

[speechlesstx]

remember how all those buy back programs were going to get guns off the street ? Guns surrendered would be destroyed ? Well not quite .

St. Charles ;a suburb of Chi town has decided to put tsome of those guns back on the market by selling them to dealers . I wonder what the mark up is ?
St. Charles IL police selling buyback guns to licensed dealers - UPI.com

Again ;the is a suburb of Chi town ;a town that had 8 people shot on Thursday alone .

Reminds me of another program from some Chicago politicians - Fast & Furious.

[Handyman2007]

I have to wonder if all of the proper paperwork was filled out for the guns tat were purchases from the public, then for the sale of the guns back to dealers. If any one of those guns had been used in a crime and the information not collected about the gun at the time it was purchased from the "original owner", puts whomever buys that gun from a dealer "in the sights" if the gun somehow turns up as "hot" from a crime. It was in Chicago. I seriously doubt any of this was done and if it was , it was probably at a minimum.

[cdad]

Here is more twists into the tale of gun control from across the pond.

Britain wants its guns back - The Commentator

But statistics from the United States show that guns are used by citizens to defend themselves around eighty times more often than they are used to take a life. A recent study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy concluded that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime in countries internationally, that is, “where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are highest."

Another supporting article:

Send A Gun To Defend A British Home ... Pistols - Rifles - Revolvers - Shotguns - Binoculars

[excon]

Hello again,

When law and order breaks down, if people can't depend on the authorities to keep them safe, they're going to want to do it themselves.

If that's where we find ourselves, is it better to arm ourselves, or fix what's wrong?

excon

[paraclete]

I would say you don't solve the problem by arming yourselves, you need to fix the problem, basically it is greed and selfishness, the unholy trinity, self first, self second and if there is any thing left self again

[cdad]

Hello again,

When law and order breaks down, if people can't depend on the authorities to keep them safe, they're gonna want to do it themselves.

If that's where we find ourselves, is it better to arm ourselves, or fix what's wrong?

excon

The problem resides in fixing what is wrong. Too many opinions in the pot and most just believe in making more laws to control the population. To me its not the answer. Law enforcement has become increasingly intrusive in peoples lives. Its time for them to back away and get a grip on the big picture.

[Handyman2007]

I agree that we must be able to defend ourselves at any time against anyone. We are seeing police being turned into paramilitary forces. Look at the Boston Bombing. Was it really necessary to have 2000 heavily armed, military style police in that one 4 block area? They ended up shooting at the kid in the boat over 100 times and still missed him for the most part. Police are becoming extremely intrusive even in small towns all over America. We are not criminals but law enforcement treats everyone as if they are suspect of something wrong. The term Domestic Terrorism is being used more and more but just who are these Domestic Terrorists? Is the Government usurping the Constitution for more control over the people or is it the People arming themselves against the government that is trying to control them? If the Military and Police band together in a move against the Citizens of this country, they have done the one thing that their oath to duty stands for... Upholding the Laws and Constitution of the country. If the Citizens take up arms against these Constitutional violators . Would those citizens be considered enemies of the state? How many of the military will "defect" and join forces with the citizens? WE have a system designed that is supposed to avoid any of these scenarios but it is increasing becoming apparent that there are forces that do not want the citizens to have those
Powers. And luckily the citizens are far better armed than the military and are out numbered by 50+ to 1.

[talaniman]

The problem is the US against THEM mentality that pervades to keep us divided. The ruling party is always defending against them, to keep power. This is a man made divide that keeps compromise for solutions to the real problems off the table.

I mean we buy guns not to defend our home against a common enemy, criminals and crazies, but against our own duly elected officials. That's crazy since its our government. Or did they steal that too when they stole all the money?

[excon]

Hello Handy:

And luckily the citizens are far better armed than the military and are out numbered by 50+ to 1.

That's just silly. Just how many Apache helicopters or F-16's have you got stashed? Furthermore, it's popular spin on the right to believe that the military would abandon their post and join in your right wing revolution... While I don't doubt that a few of them would, MOST of them will, of course, honor their oath, and will fight for the United States of America against its enemies, domestic or foreign.

Your rebellion would be crushed in the first 24 hours. What would possibly possess people to think they can defeat the 82nd Airborne?

Excon

[talaniman]

That's what happens in third world countries that have rich dictators and a bunch of poor people. That's what you guys want to happen to bring back the glory days of the Revolution and Civil War.

You guys who want a shooting war with your own countrymen are few, and those of us that vote are many. You guys are loud though, but you need more than noise to overthrow the government. Especially when those 360 million guns ain't all on your side.