[excon]

Hello again, tom:

You on the other hand would allow the streets of the inner city to become the equivalent of Fallujah run by gangs instead of tribes .

Nahh.. I'd end the drug war and hire 'em to fix our bridges... You, on the other hand, would declare the hood a war zone.

Excon

PS> (edited) You DO know that the gangs are fighting over drug turf, don't you? The drug war is the underpinnings. If we ENDED it, we'd deprive them of their power.

Now, if we didn't have EXPERIENCE doing this, then I could understand your hesitancy.. But we DO.

Oh, never mind...

[talaniman]

They have an old fashion civil war in Fallujah, to fill the power vacuum Saddam left. We have a modern civil war and one side is stuck in the poor part of town. You search everybody and still don't solve the problem.

[tomder55]

Like there was no gangland activities in the country before illegal drugs. Ask the mother of Alphonza Bryant is if the streets are a war zone. BTW ;U.S. District Court Judge Shira Scheindlin has ruled that all such testimony by grieving moms must be kept out of the courtroom in that case you cited. But she is allowing a parade of witnesses talk about their experience about being stopped ,on streets where they could just as easily be the next Alphonza.Yes, being stopped can be degrading.But being shot or losing a loved one to mindless violence is worse. But that won't matter . Judge Shira Scheindlin most probably living in a very safe area(perhaps a gated community ) will find this policing technique unconstitutional.

[cdad]

Hello again, tom:

It's true.. A police state would stop a LOT of crime.. But, I like the Constitution.. You? Not so much.

excon

How do you feel about checkpoints for drunk drivers or those for seat belts? Are those OK ?

[talaniman]

Speaking for myself, I hate anything that smacks of a police state or papers please or profiling.

If you want to catch a drunk, park outside the bar like they use to do in the old days. Protect kids with cameras outside and better ways to lock the doors, and a regular police patrol and hot line. Metal detectors work for me too.

Take away the profits and criminals like big business will find other ways to make money. The war on drugs and sin has produced nothing but poor people and death and costs us generations of casualties and broken homes.

You fear radical Islam? Fine, but don't ignore our own youth being radicalized in our own prisons.

[excon]

Hello dad:

How do you feel about checkpoints for drunk drivers or those for seat belts? Are those OK?

Of COURSE not. Neither is the soda pop cops or vaginal probe cops.

Excon

[paraclete]

Getting to the ridiculous now

[speechlesstx]

And straw men for gang bangers, drug dealer and, fringe loons. Stopping everyone and frisking them in some neighborhoods doesn't eliminate the underlying reason for criminal activity, nor make them safer. It does help the arrest record look good though.

And what exactly have Democrats done to fix this? The underlying problem is missing dads, your side has rendered dads and families obsolete.

My latest book, “Dear Father, Dear Son,” focuses on the importance of fathers — and the increasing number of children who grow up in homes without one. Juan Williams of Fox News understands this — sort of. He gets the “what,” but not the “why.”

Williams, in a Wall Street Journal piece called “Race and the Gun Debate,” writes:

“Gun-related violence and murders are concentrated among blacks and Latinos in big cities. Murders with guns are the No. 1 cause of death for African-American men between the ages of 15 and 34.

But talking about race in the context of guns would also mean taking on a subject that can’t be addressed by passing a law: the family-breakdown issues that lead too many minority children to find social status and power in guns.”

Williams is, of course, right.

There is a direct link between no father in the home and an increased chance that the child will drop out of high school, go on welfare and have a criminal record. This is particularly acute in the black community, where over 70 percent of black kids are born outside of wedlock.

In some communities, like southeast Washington, D.C, a staggering 84 percent of children live in homes without a father.

Roland Warren is the former head of National Fatherhood Initiative. Warren, a black man, read “Dear Father, Dear Son.” He called it “powerful” and said that it ought to be required reading in middle and high schools in America.

And Vincent DiCaro, vice president of the NFI, told the Washington Times: “(People) look at a child in need, in poverty or failing in school, and ask, ‘What can we do to help?’ But what we do is ask, ‘Why does that child need help in the first place?’ And the answer is often it’s because (the child lacks) a responsible and involved father…”

[smoothy]

Hello again, tom:
Nahh.. I'd end the drug war and hire 'em to fix our bridges... You, on the other hand, would declare the hood a war zone.

excon

PS> (edited) You DO know that the gangs are fighting over drug turf, don't you? The drug war is the underpinnings. If we ENDED it, we'd deprive them of their power.

Now, if we didn't have EXPERIENCE doing this, then I could understand your hesitancy.. But we DO.

Oh, never mind...

You might... but I don't want Drug dealers or drug abusers working on the bridges I drive over... most of them aren't skilled enough to mow my yard or weed my garden. In fact most of them have no marketible job skills what-so-ever or they would have gotten real jobs.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

The underlying problem is missing dads, your side has rendered dads and families obsolete.

I don't know... Missing dads in the hood is a DIRECT result of YOUR SIDES drug war.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know... Missing dads in the hood is a DIRECT result of YOUR SIDES drug war.

Excon

I think the drug war was a bipartisan effort but change history.

Although Nixon declared the War on Drugs in 1971,[14] the policies that his administration implemented as part of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 were a continuation of drug prohibition policies in the U.S. which started in 1914.[15][16] Less well-known today is that the Nixon Administration also repealed the federal 2–10-year mandatory minimum sentences for possession of marijuana and started federal demand reduction programs and drug-treatment programs. Robert DuPont, the "Drug czar" in the Nixon Administration, stated it would be more accurate to say that Nixon ended, rather than launched, the "war on drugs". DuPont also argued that it was the proponents of drug legalization that popularized the term "war on drugs".[11]

But I do challenge your assumption, see baby daddy.

[talaniman]

Federal and state policies also impose collateral consequences on those convicted of drug offenses, such as denial of public benefits or licenses, that are not applicable to those convicted of other types of crime.[63]

State sponsored discrimination,

At the time of the bill, there was public debate as to the difference in potency and effect of powder cocaine, generally used by whites, and crack cocaine, generally used by blacks, with many believing that “crack” was substantially more powerful and addictive. Crack and powder cocaine are closely related chemicals, crack being a smokeable, freebase form of powdered cocaine hydrochloride which produces a shorter, more intense high while using less of the drug. This method is more cost effective, and therefore more prevalent on the inner-city streets, while powder cocaine remains more popular in white suburbia. The Reagan administration began shoring public opinion against “crack,” encouraging DEA official Robert Putnam to play up the harmful effects of the drug. Stories of “crack whores” and “crack babies” became commonplace; by 1986, Time had declared “crack” the issue of the year.[79] Riding the wave of public fervor, Reagan established much harsher sentencing for crack cocaine, handing down stiffer felony penalties for much smaller amounts of the drug.[80]

See also Iran Contra freeing the hostages with promises of cheap arms sales funded by South American drug money, after congress forbid Reagan from military interdiction in South America.

Tales of Reagan's Guatemala Genocide | Consortiumnews

Boland Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

despite the Boland Amendment, Vice Admiral John M. Poindexter, USN, and his deputy, Lt. Colonel Oliver North, USMC, secretly diverted to the Nicaraguan contras millions of dollars in funds received from a secret deal which some alleged had explicit presidential approval – the sales of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles to Iran in spite of Reagan's public pledge not to deal with terrorists. In November 1986, a pro-Syrian newspaper in Lebanon revealed the secret deal[citation needed] to the world. This came as Democrats won back control of the Senate in the 1986 elections. In public hearings of a joint House-Senate committee convened for purposes of investigating the affair, Democrats sought to prosecute LTC North for his role.

[smoothy]

Hello again, Steve:

I dunno... Missing dads in the hood is a DIRECT result of YOUR SIDES drug war.

excon

No, it's a direct result of an ethnic subculture that has zero respect for the law.

[talaniman]

No, its a direct result of an ethnic subculture that has zero respect for the law.

Zero respect for your right wing laws so we have to rewrite them.

[smoothy]

Zero respect for your right wing laws so we have to rewrite them.

Then we can disrespect your left wing laws and hunt down the crack heads.. the drunk, the welfare bumss... the gangstas and clean up the human gene pool a lot.

And stop paying ANY taxes until everyone in the 47% pay their fair share.

[speechlesstx]

You guys on the left won't take responsibility for anything will you? All your policies are creating a utopia aren't they?

[smoothy]

I think offspring of Registered democrats should be sterilised at birth for free... then outlaw abortion. Ord when they register to vote if they decide to go democrat growing up.

Problem will resolve itself in one generation.

[cdad]

Zero respect for your right wing laws so we have to rewrite them.

That is the most racist thing I have read in a very long time. Care to justify that statement?

[talaniman]

It was my turn to throw rocks, nothing to do with racism.

[speechlesstx]

That wasn't rock throwing, that was absolute intolerance.