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smoothy · May 3, 2013, 06:14 AM

More people get killed every year with knives and baseball bats than guns every year.

Where are the background checks and registration programs for those? No bowels in an uproar from the left over those.

excon · May 3, 2013, 06:23 AM

Hello again, tom:

Would expanded backround checks have made a difference in this case ? Nope

Like I said earlier, that's the WRONG question...

As SURE as I'm sitting here, there WILL be a mass shooting where the perp WOULD have been prevented from buying a gun with the expanded background checks... Why don't you want to stop THAT one??

Are you NOT able to look ahead??

Or, are we going to argue whether felons can GET guns at a gun show?? Probably?

Excon

speechlesstx · May 3, 2013, 06:26 AM

Speaking of unbelievable things said by Democrats, Zero said yesterday "this is just the first round" of the push for gun control. He said it in Mexico. No, really. It's a good thing his administration didn't do something like let thousands of guns walk to Mexico or he might look a bit hypocritical.

speechlesstx · May 3, 2013, 06:31 AM

Ex, I just find it odd that you've spent so much time whining about the government infringing on our rights and can't understand why we're skeptical that our rights will be protected in this case. We have damn good reason not to trust our government, you of all people should know that.

tomder55 · May 3, 2013, 06:36 AM

As SURE as I'm sitting here, there WILL be a mass shooting where the perp WOULD have been prevented from buying a gun with the expanded background checks...

When you can demonstrate that ,I'm listening . Like I already showed... 46,455 backround checks per day. Sounds like the country already has the backround check thingy covered .

talaniman · May 3, 2013, 06:43 AM

Nice numbers there Tom, but obviously only a fraction of the background checks that actually are needed.

tomder55 · May 3, 2013, 06:48 AM

How many purchases are made a day ?

excon · May 3, 2013, 06:48 AM

Hello again, tom:

When you can demonstrate that ,I'm listening

Since we're talking about the future, I don't NEED to wait in order to "demonstrate". What I CAN do is PROJECT. You can too if you want. But, your right wing blinders prevent it.

You seem to be saying that because we have xx number of background checks that should cover it... But, the problem isn't the background checks we're DOING.. It's the ones we're NOT doing.

Now, I'm sure this isn't going to demonstrate ANYTHING to you... But, this weekend I can go to a gun show and buy lots and lots of guns, and NOBODY will do a background check on me.. Now, I can surmise that OTHER felons and a few NUTS will be shopping there too. I can further surmise that one (or more) of those people WILL perpetrate a mass shooting in the future...

Even if he only shoots ONE person, WHY wouldn't you want to STOP him from doing that?

Oh, oh... Wait a minute... You're going to give me the NRA line that because I'm a felon, I AUTOMATICALLY know where to buy a gun on the black market... So, WHY try to stop me from doing it the easy way?? If that sounds STUPID, that's because it IS.

But, we've been here before... You take the right wing line, and NOTHING will change that.. Not even my indisputable facts and cogent logic will persuade you..

Excon

paraclete · May 3, 2013, 06:50 AM

Hey Tom have you considered the statistic you have just posted 46,000 a day, that means 11,000,000 a year so it's going tp take, what 30 years to check out everyone that is if everyone could be checked, but moe importantly, what on earth do 46,000 people a day need with firearms? Total paranoia

tomder55 · May 3, 2013, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

hey Tom have you considered the statistic you have just posted 46,000 a day, that means 11,000,000 a year so it's going tp take, what 30 years to check out everyone that is if everyone could be checked, but moe importantly, what on earth do 46,000 people a day need with firearms? total paranoia

That's on average . If you look at the link I posted ,it's closer to 20 million(19,592,303 in 2012.)

tomder55 · May 3, 2013, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Since we're talking about the future, I don't NEED to wait in order to "demonstrate". What I CAN do is PROJECT. You can too if you want. But, your right wing blinders prevent it.

You seem to be saying that because we have xx number of background checks that should cover it... But, the problem isn't the background checks we're DOING.. It's the ones we're NOT doing.

Now, I'm sure this isn't going to demonstrate ANYTHING to you... But, this weekend I can go to a gun show and buy lots and lots of guns, and NOBODY will do a background check on me.. Now, I can surmise that OTHER felons and a few NUTS will be shopping there too. I can further surmise that one (or more) of those people WILL perpetrate a mass shooting in the future...

Even if he only shoots ONE person, WHY wouldn't you want to STOP him from doing that??

Oh, oh... Wait a minute... You're gonna give me the NRA line that because I'm a felon, I AUTOMATICALLY know where to buy a gun on the black market.... So, WHY try to stop me from doing it the easy way???? If that sounds STUPID, that's because it IS.

But, we've been here before... You take the right wing line, and NOTHING will change that.. Not even my indisputable facts and cogent logic will persuade you..

excon

OK then .You must have some supporting stats like.. how many guns used in crimes are purchased with the so called gun show exception ? I'm willing to bet almost none.

speechlesstx · May 3, 2013, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

hey Tom have you considered the statistic you have just posted 46,000 a day, that means 11,000,000 a year so it's going tp take, what 30 years to check out everyone that is if everyone could be checked, but moe importantly, what on earth do 46,000 people a day need with firearms? total paranoia

Would you stop with the paranoia bit. We have a lot of hunters, a lot sport shooters, a lot of folks that just go plink a target on the weekends and a lot of just plain gun enthusiasts. That's only one purchase for every 6773 people, that's hardly paranoia.

excon · May 3, 2013, 07:15 AM

Hello again, tom:

I don't know WHY you concentrate on the background checks we DO, and then pat yourself on the back over a job well done...

It's the ones we DON'T do that's that problem.. I don't know what's so HARD about that.

Look.. If a guy is drowning 100 yards off shore.. You tried to save him, but only could go 90 yards before you turned back. Are you going to congratulate yourself over the 90 yards you DID do, or are you going to lament the 10 yards you didn't do?

Never mind...

excon

speechlesstx · May 3, 2013, 07:19 AM

You're good at projecting (in more ways than one), how many of those felons do you project are actually going to try and buy a gun legally?

excon · May 3, 2013, 07:30 AM

Hello again, tom:

I'm willing to bet almost none.

Even if there's only ONE, why wouldn't you want to STOP it?

But, have no idea WHY you'd say that... Gun shows happen in every county in this great nation of ours, and they happen ALL summer long. Then they move INDOORS. We KNOW that felons can buy there to their hearts content there...

WHY you'd think that THOSE guns AREN'T used in crimes escapes me... It truly does. Unless, of course, you think felons like me would RATHER use guns we got in the black market instead of going to a show where we have some CHOICE. And that assumes that we KNEW where to go... Which is absolutely RIDICULOUS!

But, I want to here from you why you'd say that the existing gun laws AREN'T working because the cops don't go after the people who were DENIED... The law STOPPED the felon from getting a gun, but you think the law ISN'T being enforced because they don't chase down the guy who got DENIED...

I really want you to address that...

Excon

excon · May 3, 2013, 07:38 AM

Hello again, Steve:

how many of those felons do you project are actually going to try and buy a gun legally?

First off, felons CAN'T buy a gun legally, so I don't know what you're getting at.

But, if you're talking about felons who WANT a gun and CAN'T buy it legally from a gun shop, I'm sure they shop at gun shows. Why wouldn't they?

Look... Even IF I had an exconvict membership card, WHY would I wander around the streets LOOKING for a black market gun?? WHY would I do that, when I can go the to convention center and come home with 10 BIG guns - maybe 20?? WHY would I do that??

Excon

speechlesstx · May 3, 2013, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Even if there's only ONE, why wouldn't you want to STOP it?

I've been asking that same question about some dude named Gosnell.

speechlesstx · May 3, 2013, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

First off, felons CAN'T buy a gun legally, so I don't know what you're getting at.

But, if you're talking about felons who WANT a gun and CAN'T buy it legally from a gun shop, I'm sure they shop at gun shows. Why wouldn't they?

Look... Even IF I had an exconvict membership card, WHY would I wander around the streets LOOKING for a black market gun??? WHY would I do that, when I can go the to convention center and come home with 10 BIG guns - maybe 20??? WHY would I do that????

excon

OK, give us some numbers on how many felons are buying at gun shows.

talaniman · May 3, 2013, 08:01 AM

Save your logic Ex, the wingers are more concerned about their rights and being prepared for an armed civil war and a zombie apocalypse, than they are about some evil loony shooting things up.

I mean they are making guns for kids now.

Guns made for kids: How young is too young to shoot? - U.S. News

excon · May 3, 2013, 08:13 AM

Hello again, Steve:

OK, give us some numbers on how many felons are buying at gun shows.

Tal is right... Logic doesn't play a role when we're talking about the religion of guns..

Do you really think felons are going to identify themselves at gun shows?? Do you really think felons DON'T buy lots and lots of guns at gun shows?? Tell me why you think they'd rather scour the hood for a gun when they can buy 30 or 40 in a weekend at a gun show, and have LOTS of choices too..

Why would they do that?? Why?? The bigger question is WHY do you think they wouldn't?? Let me see... They've got Bubba who's got a gun - maybe even two. OR, there's the gun show downtown where they can shop and shop and then shop some more...

Why would they go to Bubba's?? Why?

Excon