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marcym1 · Apr 6, 2013, 03:50 PM

My puppy bulldog is having trouble with bowel movement at puppy class this morning she ate some cheese and chicken pieces and she played a bit when we got home , now she is just sleeping and when she went to bathroom it was semi soft and did not come out all the way and when I went to wipe her off she growled and cried , she has just been sleeping now she did eat dinner and just drank some water but then laid back down. She really doesn't feel to good.She is 11 weeks old.

Alty · Apr 6, 2013, 03:54 PM

It's really a bad idea to take a puppy that's not fully vaccinated (no 11 week old puppy has received the necessary vaccinations, it's 3 sets in the first few months) to a puppy class.

I would bet that it's the cheese that's causing the issue. Dogs are lactose intolerant, which means that they can't handle milk products. As you may know, cheese is made with milk.

The thing is, we can't diagnose online. This could be a simple reaction to the cheese, or it could be something far worse. The only one that can give you an actual diagnosis, and not a guess, is your vet. You won't get a diagnosis online, it's not possible.

Good luck.

marcym1 · Apr 6, 2013, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Alty

It's really a bad idea to take a puppy that's not fully vaccinated (no 11 week old puppy has received the necessary vaccinations, it's 3 sets in the first few months) to a puppy class.

I would bet that it's the cheese that's causing the issue. Dogs are lactose intolerant, which means that they can't handle milk products. As you may know, cheese is made with milk.

The thing is, we can't diagnose online. This could be a simple reaction to the cheese, or it could be something far worse. The only one that can give you an actual diagnosis, and not a guess, is your vet. You won't get a diagnosis online, it's not possible.

Good luck.

Thank you I figured it might be the cheese because she was fine until we got home , it is actually a private class in a specialist's house . No parvo there;-) And have not taken her outside before her shot's I don't let her out yet at all , I have only had her for a week .

I thought it would be the cheese as this started the problem she was fine this morning . Will take her to vet if she doesn't get better soon.

tickle · Apr 6, 2013, 04:05 PM

I wonder what sort if 'puppy class' this that one would take an 11 week old puppy.

Your puppy bulldog will grow up into a force to be reckoned with, with a mind of her/his own. I hope you have the fortitude to train a breed like this.

Bad idea to feed your pup with chicken pcs and cheese.

Your pup will sleep a lot, that is how they grow, but please don't feed table scraps! Buy an age appropriate food.

tickle · Apr 6, 2013, 04:07 PM

How are you house breaking if you don't take her outside?

Alty · Apr 6, 2013, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by marcym1

Thank you I figured it might be the cheese because she was fine until we got home , it is actually a private class in a specialist's house . No parvo there;-) And have not taken her outside before her shot's I don't let her out yet at all , I have only had her for a week .

I thought it would be the cheese as this started the problem she was fine this morning . Will take her to vet if she doesn't get better soon.

I don't want to scare you, but if this private class has dogs other than yours, it can't be called parvo free. Parvo is spread through feces. If one puppy in the class steps in feces that is contaminated, just stepping in it on the way to the car, or from the parking lot to the vet clinic, or is brought to a home that had parvo before, or a guest comes over, steps in dog poop, brings their shoes inside with the poop on the bottom of the shoe, and the dog that pooped has parvo, it's possible, even probable that parvo will be spread.

There's no way for someone that has multiple puppies (puppies that haven't been fully vaccinated) in their home, to guarantee that it's parvo free. That's like a guy saying "Yes, I slept with hookers, I didn't use protection, but I'm not sick so I promise you won't catch anything when we have unprotected sex".

Anyone that claims to be an expert in dogs, has puppies in their home that haven't been fully vaccinated, and promises that the risk of parvo is non-existent, is, in my opinion, someone I would not trust. There's no way to guarantee what this person is promising.

marcym1 · Apr 6, 2013, 04:31 PM

She is fine I know the risks but thank you for your concern , it is not parvo it is the cheese she ate , I called my vet he told me what to give her.. But thank you..

marcym1 · Apr 6, 2013, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by tickle

How are you house breaking if you don't take her outside?

I have a huge outdoor patio up off the ground with potty pads right now , she doesn't go out before she is vaccinated accept to my handlers house,lol. I have imported rottweilers champion line I breed them for over 20 years I know somewhat of what the hell I am doing.. lol..

marcym1 · Apr 6, 2013, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by tickle

I wonder what sort if 'puppy class' this that one would take an 11 wk old puppy.

Your puppy bulldog will grow up into a force to be reckoned with, with a mind of her/his own. I hope you have the fortitude to train a breed like this.

Bad idea to feed your pup with chicken pcs and cheese.

Your pup will sleep a lot, that is how they grow, but please don't feed table scraps! Buy an age appropriate food.

It is a handler ;-) My puppy is from England and champion line we here show are dogs as early as 12 weeks sometimes 9 weeks at shows and never had a puppy with parvo. I import Rottweilers for 20 years have been showing them young and no parvo. And Rotts are more prone to getting the virus:-) I am not saying it can't happen but I have never had a problem but thank you for your concern over handling my pup.

tickle · Apr 7, 2013, 02:00 AM

I am glad you are so well situated and a breeder of rotties, someone like you would have a lot of experience with puppies. Which makes me wonder why you are asking us for advice.

I have never been a breeder, but have had a few puppies over my adult life that I have raised healthy, but I have never fed one of them table scraps like chicken pieces and cheese.

I am glad you know what (in your words) the hell you are doing.

marcym1 · Apr 7, 2013, 05:25 AM

Thank you , I do.. Further more though , you changed the way I ask advice as I realize making everyone that have owned a pet in their lives was sent from God to know all there is to know and instead of answering the question decides to ask there own ,lol. If someone ask's a question please do not ask some of your own unless it pertains to the original question asked , because some people might know a bit more than you accept for the question they asked . By the way I also own a Caucasian shepherd but perhaps The English bull dog is more dangerous , who would have thought..

tickle · Apr 7, 2013, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by marcym1

Thank you , I do.. Further more though , you changed the way I ask advice as I realize making everyone that have owned a pet in their lives was sent from God to know all there is to know and instead of answering the question decides to ask there own ,lol. If someone ask's a question please do not ask some of your own unless it pertains to the original question asked , because some people might know a bit more than you accept for the question they asked . By the way I also own a caucasion shepherd but perhaps The English bull dog is more dangerous , who would have thought..

You don't get to dictate how a question is answered, or what we have to ask an OP to clarify.

Now you are taking this thread off in another direction commenting on the temperament of breeds.

I don't think we have any more to offer you in the original question.

Alty · Apr 7, 2013, 03:09 PM

I know you don't want to hear this, but you claim this "handler" is responsible, you claim to be a breeder with 20 years experience,and neither you nor the handler knew that cheese is not good for dogs, that dogs are lactose intolerant?

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. How have you managed to breed dogs for 20 years without knowing the very basics?

marcym1 · Apr 7, 2013, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Alty

I know you don't want to hear this, but you claim this "handler" is responsible, you claim to be a breeder with 20 years experience,and neither you nor the handler knew that cheese is not good for dogs, that dogs are lactose intolerant?

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. How have you managed to breed dogs for 20 years without knowing the very basics?

I will tell you this only one time with a face palm actually took her to my vet emergency , guess what it was not the cheese! My rotts eat cheese also and she said today she never had an issue so , guess your wrong;-0 also it was a part of a shoe she had eaten and it was stuck and it is out and she is playing right now with the big boys.. I love when others are wrong.. Have a great day :-)

tickle · Apr 7, 2013, 03:21 PM

Perhaps, and I am not making excuses for OP, but possibly she is european and that makes a difference in how they handle dogs; temperament issues are different then what we see how dogs are bred here.

If the OP can clarify this, would be welcome, as I don't want to create an issue here and we do not propose to know all there is to know about dogs, but we do from basic handling.

But this still goes off topic as the question related to a puppy, feeding, handling, training at ll weeks old. I have trained for house breaking at six weeks and my walker hound took to it right away and she was a large breed dog.

tickle · Apr 7, 2013, 03:25 PM

Oh you are really something else, palm up, you could have lost that dog if you had waited too long; an intestinal blockage is not reversible in some cases, but you know that don't you. So, where you when the pup was eating the shoe, maybe taking care of one of your larger breeds.

tickle · Apr 7, 2013, 03:26 PM

I think it is time to close this thread, Alty. Unless you have more to add, and I hope you do !

marcym1 · Apr 7, 2013, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by tickle

Oh you are really something else, palm up, you could have lost that dog if you had waited too long; an intestinal blockage is not reversible in some cases, but you know that dont you. So, where you when the pup was eating the shoe, maybe taking care of one of your larger breeds.

LOL.. It was not in the intestine ;-) It passed through just had a hard time coming out,lol.. As long as she is not throwing up it has passed they can't do anything but wait.. YEP your right ,Face balm..

marcym1 · Apr 7, 2013, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by marcym1

LOL..It was not in the intestine ;-) It passed through just had a hard time coming out,lol..As long as she is not throwing up it has passed they can't do anything but wait..YEP your right ,Face balm..

I'm right I won done with this thread;-) Ta... ta.. Talk amongst yourself..

tickle · Apr 7, 2013, 03:31 PM

Marcyn, thanks for getting back to us about the pup and knowing he is all right makes a big difference.

Good luck with whatever you are doing, but really, I never feed my dogs cheese and chicken scraps :)