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    #341

    Mar 28, 2013, 07:26 AM
    You sound just like Nancy "we have to pass it before we know what's in it" Pelosi, and as a businessman I would think you know that's a monumentally stupid position to support.
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    Mar 28, 2013, 07:33 AM
    And like most conservatives your views comes from an agenda that puts your profits over your people that work hard to make you rich. Glad you finally brought out the fact that your poor rich guy has many resources to guide him. And maybe fight first and think later has not helped him. I mean dividing his 8 stores into separate companies to AVOID the law didn't help him, and he says it will cost him 60 grand.

    My initial look into the structure of his franchise is to expand his coverage and increase his core of full time employees and take a tax credit for his reinvetment. Its possible to mitigate his 60 grand "loss of profit" by almost 40% before taxes. He knows that and so should his lawyers, and accountants.

    It should also be pointed out while he hollers, his corporate owners of his chain have not. Like the pizza guy who was outraged and threatened to raise the price of his pies 14 cents. So how much does he raise his gourmet hamburgers?

    He has options dude beyond what he is hollering about, and the help and resources to get her done. Most rich guys do.

    Not surprised conservatives see the rich guy side, and ignore the working class side.
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    #343

    Mar 28, 2013, 07:42 AM
    Wait until you find out that you can get an exemption from the penalty (oops I mean tax ) if you claim to be a smoker .
    Smoking out a major flaw in Obamacare | NJ.com
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    #344

    Mar 28, 2013, 09:32 AM
    Tal has already forgotten again that I AM the working class side.
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    #345

    Mar 28, 2013, 09:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    wait til you find out that you can get an exemption from the penalty (oops I mean tax ) if you claim to be a smoker .
    Smoking out a major flaw in Obamacare | NJ.com
    Nice job Schmucky.
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    #346

    Mar 30, 2013, 03:03 AM
    Now we get to pay for transformer operations
    In shift, Medicare would pay for sex-change operations | WashingtonExaminer.com
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    Mar 30, 2013, 03:53 AM
    Transformer do we have extra-terrestial life over there? I thik you mean transsexual
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    #348

    Mar 30, 2013, 06:23 AM
    Hello again, Steve:

    now we get to pay for transformer operations
    OMG! That's got to be a violation of my rights somehow... I'm sure you'll find it, Steve. It's probably against YOUR religious freedom rights.. In fact, I'm SURE it is... Somehow...

    Excon
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    #349

    Mar 30, 2013, 06:25 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    OMG! That's got to be a violation of my rights somehow... I'm sure you'll find it, Steve. It's probably against YOUR religious freedom rights.. In fact, I'm SURE it is.... Somehow....

    excon
    I have no idea what you're talking about.
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    #350

    Mar 30, 2013, 07:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    transformer do we have extra-terrestial life over there? I thik you mean transsexual
    Transexual sex change operation... transformer... what's the difference ?
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    #351

    Mar 30, 2013, 07:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    OMG! That's got to be a violation of my rights somehow... I'm sure you'll find it, Steve. It's probably against YOUR religious freedom rights.. In fact, I'm SURE it is.... Somehow....

    excon
    I'm not Steve... But yes ,do you think every elective procedure should be paid for by someone else ?
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    #352

    Mar 30, 2013, 08:32 AM
    Hello tom/Steve:

    Some would argue that it's NOT elective at all. I'd be one of those.

    excon
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    #353

    Mar 30, 2013, 08:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello tom/Steve:

    Some would argue that it's NOT elective at all. I'd be one of those.

    excon
    Dear excon:

    I agree, it's not elective. If your insides are screaming you are female, but you happen to have a teeny weenie, something is seriously wrong and needs to be corrected.

    WG / Carol
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    Mar 30, 2013, 11:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Dear excon:

    I agree, it's not elective. If your insides are screaming you are female, but you happen to have a teeny weenie, something is seriously wrong and needs to be corrected.

    WG / Carol
    >greenie<
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    #355

    Mar 30, 2013, 11:24 AM
    So we should pay for a sex change for any guy who screams he's really a woman?
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    #356

    Mar 30, 2013, 11:36 AM
    A man can't just scream he is a woman and get a sex change. He has to be diagnosed with a specific disorder by a certified clinician.

    Sex reassignment surgery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Most surgeons require two letters of recommendation for sex reassignment surgery. At least one of these letters must be from a mental health professional experienced in diagnosing gender identity disorder, that has known the patient for over a year. Letters must state that sex reassignment surgery is the correct course of treatment for the patient.[13][14]
    A growing number of public and commercial health insurance plans in the United States now contain defined benefits covering sex reassignment-related procedures, usually including genital reconstruction surgery (MTF and FTM), chest reconstruction (FTM), breast augmentation (MTF), and hysterectomy (FTM).[3] In June 2008, the American Medical Association House of Delegates declared that discrimination,[4] stating that the denial to patients with Gender Identity Disorder of otherwise covered benefits represents discrimination, and that the AMA supports "public and private health insurance coverage for treatment for gender identity disorder as recommended by the patient's physician." Other organizations have issued similar statements, including WPATH,[5] the American Psychological Association,[6] and the National Association of Social Workers.[7]
    Funny how people think they are paying for other peoples stuff when we all pay our own premiums. The church has that idea badly.
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    #357

    Mar 30, 2013, 12:10 PM
    Until Obamacare it was considered an experimental procedure not covered . I guess we should cover silicon implants for women with self esteem issues over itty bitties ;or for one of them suction devises for men who don't like the size of their weiner . Maybe we should pay for liposuction and collagen injections too. After all ;it's a psychological booster .
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    #358

    Mar 30, 2013, 12:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    until Obamacare it was considered an experimental procedure not covered
    You consider incorrect gender assignment a self-esteem issue?
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    #359

    Mar 30, 2013, 12:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    until Obamacare it was considered an experimental procedure not covered . I guess we should cover silicon implants for women with self esteem issues over itty bitties ;or for one of them suction devises for men who don't like the size of their weiner . Maybe we should pay for liposuction and collagen injections too. After all ;it's a psychological booster .
    We pay for nothing, insurance companies pay for covered procedure through their policy. Insurance companies base premiums on the coverage you BUY!

    That's the business model for insurance, you know the risk/gamble thing. It was decide in JUNE 2008, BEFORE Obamacare, by doctors AND insurance companies to cover these procedures and those are facts.

    No laws, no votes where needed to make this a medical issue and NOT elective surgery.
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    Mar 30, 2013, 01:11 PM
    Incorrect gender assignment.. guess God made a mistake.

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