[speechlesstx]

Here's a current event across the pond. France's Socialist prez got a judicial smack down last week on his 75% tax on the wealthy but never fear, he's rebooting it into a 75 tax on salaries over a million Euros.

Yeah, that's going to jump start their economy. Of course with all good Socialists, libs and progs taxing the rich has nothing to do with fixing anything or raising revenue... he's just imposing his morality on others.

Maybe it will give his ratings a boost though, but if you ask me any guy who spends 45 minutes trying to convince his country he's not a "bad president" has already lost that battle.

[paraclete]

There are taxes and taxes Tom and 75% is excessive, I remember when we had a 95% tax on the rich, no one was rich, at least they didn't admit it, now they pay 47.5% if you can get them to admit it

[speechlesstx]

Dude, I am not tom. Geez people.

[paraclete]

Sorry again speech you guys are so alike, but I note our rich pay more than yours do so there must be a point of indifference

[tomder55]

Yeah there are taxes and there are taxes ;and there's banks seizing people's money in Cyprus ,and the State of Kalifornia is seizing it's citizens money with retroactive taxing . It's enough to turn a lefty Dem into a Tea Party Patriot... maybe.

Today was a bad day. After meeting with my tax accountant, I am now cutting a very large check to the State of California, all of which resulted from Proposition 30 and the “retroactive tax” that was levied on my 2012 income.

This despite the fact that I already paid my 2012 taxes back in September.

While the law stipulates that I must surrender this money, I refuse to acknowledge this as a tax at all. This is not a tax. This is an asset seizure plain and simple. The term “retroactive tax” is a despicable euphemism. It is no different than when Hugo Chavez used the benign-sounding “nationalize” to describe his seizure of private property in Venezuela.

Now before I go any further, let me tell you what I am not.

I am not a Tea Party member. I am not even a Republican. Twice I have voted for Barack Obama, and I was supportive of his tax compromise earlier this year. I am not a person who opposes paying taxes, even higher ones. I am a very reasonable person who respects the great opportunity that America has given to me.

But there is a very clear and unambiguous line between taxes — regardless of how high they are — and asset seizures. The State of California has taken money from me. Money that I already earned and paid taxes on, and I will not tolerate this act of theft.

So what am I doing about it, other than speaking up?

Well, I am moving my new company — which is now closing a round of venture funding from world-class investors — to the East Coast. Because my last company created almost 200 jobs, most of which were in San Francisco, this is not good news for the State of California.

As I write this, I am hiring people on the East Coast who might otherwise have been hired in California. Some have already been hired. My California employees will be relocating to New York by early next year.

I will also be leaving California next year and de-establishing residency to be with my new company. No more 13.3 percent of my income for you, California. How does 0 percent sound? That sounds good to me.

Because of asset seizures, I am starting my new company outside California | PandoDaily

[paraclete]

yeah there are taxes and there are taxes ;and there's banks seizing people's money in Cyprus ,and the State of Kalifornia is seizing it's citizens money with retroactive taxing . It's enough to turn a lefty Dem into a Tea Party Patriot .............maybe.

Because of asset seizures, I am starting my new company outside California | PandoDaily

So exercise your right and leave, no one is forcing you to stay, do a Deupardu

[tomder55]

That would be one course , the other is to stick around and try to influence the course the nation takes. It isn't a given that this ever escalating money grab is the way it will be or should be. I don't blame Goldberg for the course he is taking in leaving the People's Republic of Kalifornia . The greatness of federalism is that he has that option within the United States .He can vote with his feet.
It's an entirely different matter when the national government is complicit in the plunder. There are many fewer nations where liberty and government restraint is written into the constitution . So although he is joining Tiger Woods, and Phil Mickelson in saying 'hasta la vista ' to Governor Moonbeam's money grab. It is less desirable to leave the greatest nation man has created.

[paraclete]

No, that hasn't worked in sicxty years either, leave now while you can and your capital is safe

[speechlesstx]

States Limiting Freedom Pushes People Out

[tomder55]

Type "New York is" into Google and the first option it presents is "New York is killing me."

No kidding ! Not only are we one of the highest taxed people in the country ;but all the users fees ,fines etc are more money grabs . The latest one is highway patrols have been giving tickets to drivers who drive too long (in the subjective view of the officer) in the left hand lane .

[paraclete]

No kidding ! Not only are we one of the highest taxed people in the country ;but all the users fees ,fines etc are more money grabs . The latest one is highway patrols have been giving tickets to drivers who drive too long (in the subjective view of the officer) in the left hand lane .

Nothing new in that Tom it's been illegal to hog the passing lane for years here, perhaps you are learning from us

[tomder55]

If you aren't obstructing the traffic flow then where is the harm ? I use the left lane and let the 18 wheelers and the slow pokes have the right lane .I move over when faster vehicles are coming up behind .

[paraclete]

Rules are rules

[tomder55]

I'll break traffic rules every time I think there is a safety issue involved .

It's cr@p like this that make NY the least free state in the US.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/03/...-state-in-u-s/

[paraclete]

Then leave, go where your free spirit is respected

[tomder55]

In time... I certainly isn't going to hang around here when I'm on a fixed income in retirement. . On top of very high state income taxes ;the property taxes here is like paying an additional rent on my home.

[paraclete]

So Florida then? You should come here, property taxes aren't bad and tax is definitely good for older people, good concesssions, and there are places where the snow doesn't blow, and that medical insurance you complain about, well it isn't that bad either

[tomder55]

I'll never move to Florida. That state is a repository for people waiting for their turn to die. I've narrowed it down to a few states ;the closest is Pennsylvania where I can hang with the bitter clingers.

[paraclete]

I'll never move to Florida. That state is a repository for people waiting for their turn to die. I've narrowed it down to a few states ;the closest is Pennsylvania where I can hang with the bitter clingers.

So going to the amish

[tomder55]

Possibly . I like the country around Gettysburg .I could see myself working a small veggie garden and attending Civil War reenactments.