[NeedKarma]

Ah, the putdown.

Better get used to it, a lack of social skills is strong with this one. <sigh>

[Tuttyd]

It was not meant to be a definitive proof, but the attitude most certainly supports my position.

As Tom points out this ridiculous seminar is hosted by someone who charges an up front fee for service. Her area of expertise appears to be sex. She probably mostly makes a living by teaching in a private capacity.

(a) Are you saying that holding this poor excuse for a workshop somehow reflects the wider attitudes of the university employed teaching staff?

(b) Are you saying that an article displaying a dislike for people who graduate from Harvard and then use their political position for points scoring reflects an attitude of the university, and not the attitude of the person(s) who wrote the article?

I would be interested if you can show me how to bring (a) and (b) together to demonstrate attitude.

[speechlesstx]

Better get used to it, a lack of social skills is strong with this one. <sigh>

Now THAT was a put down. Congratulations, you excel at insults.

[speechlesstx]

As Tom points out this ridiculous seminar is hosted by someone who charges an up front fee for service. Her area of expertise appears to be sex. She probably mostly makes a living by teaching in a private capacity.

Exactly but irrelevant to the point that this was a seminar for teaching students sensitivity toward "taboo" sexual such as bestiality acts in a prestigious university .

(a) Are you saying that holding this poor excuse for a workshop somehow reflects the wider attitudes of the university employed teaching staff?

No.

(b) Are you saying that an article displaying a dislike for people who graduate from Harvard and then use their political position for points scoring reflects an attitude of the university, and not the attitude of the person(s) who wrote the article?

I'm saying the editorial is a common attitude displayed toward conservatives in higher education in America.

[Tuttyd]

Exactly but irrelevant to the point that this was a seminar for teaching students sensitivity toward "taboo" sexual such as bestiality acts in a prestigious university .

I'll address your first point.


If what you are saying this is the case, then what conclusions are you drawing about the university? Given the fact that you don't seem to be defending your claim in terms of "attitude" of the institution towards these types of workshops. Or is the whole workshop thing irrelevant, as you say?

Tut

[Tuttyd]

they do ...
Yale University Hosts Workshop Teaching Sensitivity to Bestiality, Incest

Tom, I will make the claim here at I would make to Speech further down the track.

This is another beat-up. What conclusions are you going to draw about the academic staff that allows such a workshop by a private individual for private profit?

It would probably be the case that this woman is not a professor. It would probably be the case that she is not in charge of a faculty. It is probably be the case that she doesn't teach at the university. From what you have posted about her she seems to be a teacher/therapist who has a Ph.D

What conclusions are you drawing about the attitudes of the teaching staff at the university based on the fact that she has used the facilities there?

What conclusions are you drawing about he sexual preferences of the academic staff because she has use the facilities there?

Hosting the event suggests there was some type of widespread approval by the academic staff that such an event would be acceptable.

[tomder55]

Tom, I will make the claim here at I would make to Speech further down the track.

This is another beat-up. What conclusions are you going to draw about the academic staff that allows such a workshop by a private individual for private profit?

It would probably be the case that this woman is not a professor. It would probably be the case that she is not in charge of a faculty. It is probably be the case that she doesn't teach at the university. From what you have posted about her she seems to be a teacher/therapist who has a Ph.D

What conclusions are you drawing about the attitudes of the teaching staff at the university based on the fact that she has used the facilities there?

What conclusions are you drawing about he sexual preferences of the academic staff because she has use the facilities there?

Hosting the event suggests there was some type of widespread approval by the academic staff that such an event would be acceptable.

I make no conclusions about the Yale staff at all. I make conclusions about the judgment of a university that charges premium tuition for this type of pseudo-education . I would keep that in mind if I was a parent funding my child's education ;and I would advise a child that is funding their own education to take other course work that doesn't include this cr@p.
For $40,000 a year the child could certainly get a more close up personal sex education experience if that is why they are attending college if you get my drift.
But I guess this type of high tech card trick is what passes for liberal education these days.

[paraclete]

If you have to go to college to learn sex then there is something sadly lacking

[NeedKarma]

But I guess this type of high tech card trick is what passes for liberal education these days.

But it isn't a "liberal" education, I showed you that. Both liberals and conservatives attend the school. You can't seem to get over that fact.

[speechlesstx]

I'll address your first point.


If what you are saying this is the case, then what conclusions are you drawing about the university? Given the fact that you don't seem to be defending your claim in terms of "attitude" of the institution towards these types of workshops. Or is the whole workshop thing irrelevant, as you say?

Tut

I was drawing no conclusions about Yale. Tal and Wondergirl offered misinformation and misdirection about the seminar and I established the facts.

Event director Giuliana Berry told CampusReform.org that the workshop was supposed to teach students to respond with “understanding” and “compassion” to taboo and even illegal sex acts.

I leave you to draw conclusions about the seminar. Mine is Yale should have better things to offer its students than a seminar teaching sensitivity toward "taboo and even illegal sex acts."

Needkarma suggested - sarcastically I'm sure - the seminar may have been hosted by conservatives such as Yale College Republicans or wasn't liberal in nature because Bush attended Yale. I merely offered the op-ed as an example of the bias and hostility that conservatives often face in college. Draw your own conclusions about the op-ed, I think it was openly hostile and condescending. If you want definitive proof of the bias conservative students - and educators - face in college that's another discussion.

[speechlesstx]

But it isn't a "liberal" education, I showed you that. Both liberals and conservatives attend the school. You can't seem to get over that fact.

The fact that conservatives attend school proves nothing more than conservatives go to school, I showed you that.

[NeedKarma]

The fact that conservatives attend school proves nothing more than conservatives go to school, I showed you that.

And you telling me it's a liberal education becomes an undeniable fact based on faith in your word? LOL.

[speechlesstx]

And you telling me it's a liberal education becomes an undeniable fact based on faith in your word? LOL.

No. I discussed bias and intolerance toward conservatives.

Survey shocker: Liberal profs admit they’d discriminate against conservatives in hiring, advancement
‘Impossible lack of diversity’ reflects ideological intimidation on campus

A lack of political diversity in psychology is said to lead to a number of pernicious outcomes, including biased research and active discrimination against conservatives. The authors surveyed a large number (combined N = 800) of social and personality psychologists and discovered several interesting facts. First, although only 6% described themselves as conservative "overall," there was more diversity of political opinion on economic issues and foreign policy. Second, respondents significantly underestimated the proportion of conservatives among their colleagues. Third, conservatives fear negative consequences of revealing their political beliefs to their colleagues. Finally, conservatives are right to do so: In decisions ranging from paper reviews to hiring, many social and personality psychologists said that they would discriminate against openly conservative colleagues. The more liberal respondents were, the more they said they would discriminate.

Thomas Bertonneau—SUNY Oswego

The study by Fosse and Gross, aside from offering a circular argument (the academy is liberal because liberals—rather than conservatives—are drawn to the academy), runs counter to everything that I have observed in nearly thirty years of combined graduate-school and teaching experience at the college level.

The professoriate is not merely liberal, it is radically left liberal in its basic assumptions and it is relentless in its determination to make itself homogeneously left liberal, if necessary by driving out difference. Even where a majority of faculty members are, perhaps, not vehement in their like-minded attitude, the true believers tend to dominate the institutional structure and set the tone. The degree of hostility toward dissent would likely shock an outsider.

The most ridiculous claim by Fosse and Gross is that the political character of the academy can be explained in part by the fact that the scholarly life attracts people who have a "a high tolerance for controversial ideas." On the contrary: the academy is intellectually conformist and averse to actual controversy. On every subject—from "global warming" to Darwinism to affirmative action to abortion—there is one permissible opinion.

College Republicans face intensified campus witch hunt

Eastern Michigan U. Denies Students Funding For Pro-Life Display

Student suspended for complaining about “Stomp on Jesus” Prof

“The secular educationalist thinks the Christian student has been brainwashed”

Emory kicks Chick-fil-A off campus because students, ahem, don’t like chicken

I could do this all day.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I could do this all day.

Couple things.. There's NO question that there are MORE liberal ivy league university's in the land.. So what?

I PROMISE you, that IF I were accepted at one of the right wing universities, and divulged either my politics or my lack of religion, I'd be harassed too. Would it be worse than what liberals do? Who cares? The FACT that we're an INTOLERANT society ISN'T news.

But, please, PLEASE don't tell me your side is any better.

Excon

[talaniman]

You mean this isn't a center right country and conservative are the true minority? If you need affirmative action just ask. How dare them liberals treat you like second class citizens after all you have done for them.

[speechlesstx]

Ex, I have no doubt you'd be more welcome. It is the right defending the free and open exchange of ideas.

Tal, ‘Impossible lack of diversity’ reflects ideological intimidation on campus"

[Wondergirl]

I PROMISE you, that IF I were accepted at one of the right wing universities, and divulged either my politics or my lack of religion, I'd be harassed too. Would it be worse than what liberals do?

Reminds me of the mid-'60s when I was at a conservative, right-wing college that had an opportunity to feature a musical performance by Pete Seeger. The administration refused, stating that it would corrupt the student body because the concert might be used to promote a communist agenda or an overthrow of the U.S. government. That college is still in that mind-frame, by the way.

[NeedKarma]

I could do this all day.

What? Post opinion pieces? All except the "stomp on Jesus" (which I find reprehensible as well) are opinion pieces. That's not facts.

I guess I'll never understand your need to label something so you can hate it.

[Apprentice303]

Did you know the more doctors out here in the USA get more money for denying a patient help than actually helping? So why not have all the un-healthy running around? Why not keep the low even lower, the more that's cast out the more the cycles continue...

[tomder55]

Reminds me of the mid-'60s when I was at a conservative, right-wing college that had an opportunity to feature a musical performance by Pete Seeger. The administration refused, stating that it would corrupt the student body because the concert might be used to promote a communist agenda or an overthrow of the U.S. government. That college is still in that mind-frame,.by the way.

I listen to Pete Seeger when I have a case of insomnia... instant cure !