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smoothy · Mar 21, 2013, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by Tuttyd

That post doesn't have any subtitles that I can see.

Other than that I have lots of time. Please go ahead. I do struggle with the intricacies of the English language at times.

If they were obvious they wouldn't be subtlties.

NeedKarma · Mar 21, 2013, 05:17 AM

That post doesn't have any subtitles that I can see.

He can't type worth a damn (and apparently has one of the few browsers that does not have built-in spellcheck) - I'm pretty sure he meant "subtleties".

talaniman · Mar 21, 2013, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

so it says there are maybe 3 million black catholics and about 40 million blacks in the US but significant numbers of hispanics are catholic some 29 million

I think my contention stands

Why should it matter if they are all Americans?

speechlesstx · Mar 21, 2013, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

I think the females, black and white, and otherwise, spoke their minds in the last election quite clearly. The candidate that was going to abolish PP LOST, remember?

Last I checked, abortions (and contraceptives) were also legal and even poor black women don't like white guys telling them what THEIR rights are.

I don't recall Romney planning on abolishing PP, but that's OK, I get that your side can't keep a constituency without lying to them, fear-mongering and buying their votes.

I suggest you come to terms with Sanger stand on negative eugenics in context to the time and medical technology of the beginning of the century in which she lived.

LOL, so somehow her views on eugenics were less evil back then?

J_9 · Mar 21, 2013, 06:34 AM

And... the Twinkie is coming back!

smoothy · Mar 21, 2013, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by J_9

And..... the Twinkie is coming back!

Lets hope Ho Ho's are too... I miss those.

talaniman · Mar 21, 2013, 06:54 AM

QUOTE by speechlesstx;
I don't recall Romney planning on abolishing PP, but that's OK, I get that your side can't keep a constituency without lying to them, fear-mongering and buying their votes.

Mitt Romney Clarifies Abortion Stance, Re-Affirms Desire to Defund Planned Parenthood - ABC News

I can understand your confusion trying to keep a flip flopper straight.

LOL, so somehow her views on eugenics were less evil back then?

Actions speak louder than words, so show me where she was involved in any involuntary sterilazation when it wasn't considered evil after WW2, and was prevalent as recently as the 80's?

Compulsory sterilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eugenics in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So yes, back then it was a practice already and was the model for the nazis program.

speechlesstx · Mar 21, 2013, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Mitt Romney Clarifies Abortion Stance, Re-Affirms Desire to Defund Planned Parenthood - ABC News

I can understand your confusion trying to keep a flip flopper straight.

And I understand your confusion between "abolish" and "defund." I see no reason to taxpayer dollars to a group making a killing on abortion (and I thought you hated obscene profits).

Actions speak louder than words, so show me where she was involved in any involuntary sterilazation when it wasn't considered evil after WW2, and was prevalent as recently as the 80's?

Do you not see the irony in whining about words then immediately excusing the vile things Sanger espoused verbally?

talaniman · Mar 21, 2013, 07:51 AM

You don't jump on Smoothy when he talks his sterilization crap. So don't jump on me for pointing out what was widespread thinking of the time.

smoothy · Mar 21, 2013, 07:53 AM

The left doesn't grasp irony very well.

speechlesstx · Mar 21, 2013, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

You don't jump on Smoothy when he talks his sterilization crap. So don't jump on me for pointing out what was widespread thinking of the time.

You guys handle smoothy just fine on your own. But I am interested to hear how widespread Sanger's thinking was how that justifies the insult to humanity.

talaniman · Mar 21, 2013, 08:05 AM

It was the law in many states, and around the world, didn't you read the links I provided?

The 27 states where sterilization laws remained on the books (though not all were still in use) in 1956 were: Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin.[45]

speechlesstx · Mar 21, 2013, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

It was the law in many states, and around the world, didn't you read the links I provided?

And that justifies it, how?

talaniman · Mar 21, 2013, 09:24 AM

The same way slavery, and prejudice, and Jim Crow, was justified in its day. We have moved beyond those social structures and Sanger died in 1966. Like you young guys always say you weren't here when such things were reality, and don't support it now, so why should I justify something that was normal before I got on this planet?

Its history, and not all of it was an example of our best behavior as a nation.

speechlesstx · Mar 21, 2013, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

The same way slavery, and prejudice, and Jim Crow, was justified in its day. We have moved beyond those social structures and Sanger died in 1966. Like you young guys always say you weren't here when such things were reality, and don't support it now, so why should I justify something that was normal before I got on this planet?

Its history, and not all of it was an example of our best behavior as a nation.

As if you guys decouple the past from anything Republicans do?

P.S. And yet "Planned Parenthood" is still making obscene profits killing babies, largely those of poor black women.

talaniman · Mar 21, 2013, 09:55 AM

As if you guys decouple the past from anything Republicans do?

Not when you are doing it NOW........................that makes it current, not past.

P.S. And yet "Planned Parenthood" is still making obscene profits killing babies, largely those of poor black women.

Now they are making obscene profits??? Get out of that far right blogosphere or provide a link.

Wondergirl · Mar 21, 2013, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

P.S. And yet "Planned Parenthood" is still making obscene profits killing babies, largely those of poor black women.

I thought you said those poor black women keep their babies so they can milk the government coffers. Now they are aborting them?

speechlesstx · Mar 21, 2013, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I thought you said those poor black women keep their babies so they can milk the government coffers. Now they are aborting them?

I think you have me confused with Smoothy.

Wondergirl · Mar 21, 2013, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I think you have me confused with Smoothy.

So whom do I believe--you or smoothy? (Smoothy is awfully cute... )

speechlesstx · Mar 21, 2013, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

P.S. And yet "Planned Parenthood" is still making obscene profits killing babies, largely those of poor black women.

Now they are making obscene profits??? Get out of that far right blogosphere or provide a link.

It's in their annual report. $1.2 billion in income, $150 million in profit, a record 333,964 million abortions.