[Wondergirl]

To believe that infant baptism converts the baby into being a Christian

Who said that infant baptism does that? No one I know does.

[Wondergirl]

WG.

no you didn't. but you can't back your beliefs up with scripture either.

And my beliefs are what?

[classyT]

WG,

You tell me. You don't state exactly what you believe but you IMPLY you believe people who do not accept Christ end up with the Father.

[Wondergirl]

WG,

you tell me. You don't state exactly what you believe but you IMPLY you believe people who do not accept Christ end up with the Father.

I don't know what that means.

[classyT]

WG..

Okie dokie... read your own posts. THEN let me know what you believe.

[Wondergirl]

WG..

Okie dokie...read your own posts. THEN let me know what you believe.

*read my own posts*

Love God and love your neighbor as yourself.

Don't fence God in. He's a lot bigger than we could ever imagine.

Don't judge. That belongs to God.

[classyT]

WG

OK... what do you do with this verse... I am the way the truth and the live no man comes to the father but by me. John 14:6

How about this one? For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but has everlasting life. John 3:16

It isn't a matter of judging. It is what it is. Either a person accepts Jesus or they don't. It isn't a judgement.. it is a choice.

[Wondergirl]

WG

ok...what do you do with this verse.... I am the way the truth and the live no man comes to the father but by me. John 14:6

How bout this one? For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but has everlasting life. John 3:16

It isn't a matter of judging. It is what it is. either a person accepts Jesus or they don't. It isn't a judgement..it is a choice.

Check back with me in heaven and we will see who made the cut. I'll be in the celestial kitchen baking brownies.

[angie21hernande]

God is full of mercy, He does not send His creation to hell, unfortunally people who don't accept Him send themselves there. There are very few people that can say they have never heard of the Bible, the word of God, we all know there is a God, because we live in His creation, and we are His creation. God is love, He is not this man pointing the finger at us judging us, if we turn our ways and have a sincere hearth He will never turn us away. It is important to understand that there is a heaven and a hell, whether some choose to believe it or not, there is. This path called life will come to an en one day, and what is at the end depends on the relationship we have with Christ today. I choose to believe in His word, believe in what He has done in my life, therefore I believe too that there is a heaven where if we choose to believe in Him, we will be in all eternity, and If I believe that,I also believe that there is a Hell, the choice is ours, and we have to make that decision here on hearrth, not after we are dead. God Bless

[RJ16]

You say this a lot, but it isn't strictly true. What it actually means is, your particular interpretation of the Bible said it. You are fond of interpreting Revelation literally, something it was never meant to be, so the actual issue is this: when we take John's writings the way HE meant them to be taken, the GWT and lake of fire are metaphors, not literal events or places. Metaphors for what? That's the big question. But as usual, taking apocalyptic literature and trying to interpret it literally just leads to a mess.

I think you are incorrect. The Bible are not to be "interpreted" at all. Why? There aren't any metaphors to BE interpreted! (God does use some metaphhors, yes; but He explains them most of the time, and when He doen't exactly, don't think about it too hard... our human minds will NEVER come up with the proper "interpretation") The entire Bible is the LITERAL Word of God and is to be taken Literally. Everything in Revelation is going to happen the exact way it says it will. I don't know what version others out there are using, but mine is the living Word of God in the KJV form. And even the NIV and a few others say basically the same thing.
Don't be a doubting Thomas too long. Since all the happenings in Revelation are in the future, and I believe the very near future, doubt for "too long" will become "too late". And NO ONE will want to be around here during the Tribulation. The Bible says that "men will seek death" in that time on Earth.
Sorry, but there WILL be a Great White Throne Judgement and there WILL be an eternal Lake of Fire where all unbelievers will dwell with the devil, his angels, and the Antichrist. Praise God I will not be at either!

[Wondergirl]

I think you are incorrect. The Bible are not to be "interpreted" at all. Why? There aren't any metaphors to BE interpreted!

The OT is full of metaphors and allegories.

Revelation is over and done with. It was written for a certain time and purpose. It almost didn't make the cut exactly beause of that.

[RJ16]

I have no idea how on earth you managed to read that into the passage you quoted, since the two have nothing to do with each other.

I see where she's coming from! They have everything to do with each other! Both Hindus and Muslims are idoleters. One of the first listed in that verse in I Cor.
"Thou shalt have NO other gods before me" Exodus (Ten Commandments) Hmmm.. and what is Allah?
"O Lord.....thou art God alone!" Psalm 87:10
"For I am God, and there is NONE else" Isaiah 45:22
See the connection?

[RJ16]

The OT is full of metaphors and allegories.

Revelation is over and done with. It was written for a certain time and purpose. It almost didn't make the cut exactly beause of that.

No it is not!
If it was over, I wouldn't be here, and either you wouldn't be here either or you'd WISH you weren't!

[RJ16]

Of course, both Jesus and Peter also described it as outer darkness, a place of darkness, and Peter spoke of chains. So if this fire is literal, it apparently doesn't produce any light. Or perhaps (gasp!) it's all metaphorical, trying to describe the indescribable.

I know,I'm posting a lot. But adjust, please. Here's a bit of science to add to your critisism: Consider a candle or camp fire. The flames are mainly yellow and orange on the outer edges. In the inner flame, it is blue. Scientists have experimented - the hotter the flame, the darker it is. So it is NOT metaphorical. The flames will be soooo utterly hot, that they will be black. IN other words - it'll be dark. (OOPS! Sorry - no metaphor there either!)

[Wondergirl]

No it is not!
If it was over, I wouldn't be here, and either you wouldn't be here either or you'd WISH you weren't!

Trust me. Nothing is going to happen. It already happened a couple of thousand years ago.

[Athos]

It mine is the living Word of God in the KJV form. !

What is it about the King James Version that you people are so obsessed with? Do you ever think about that?

Beautiful language? Without a doubt. True to the original writings? Not hardly.

Consider what a non-literal translation of the Bible does to your insistence on the literal-ness of your reading. Are you channeling God - or King James?

[classyT]

Athos,

Really? "you people"... smh. I know it is late but I am in NO mood for your nasty comments. If this is the best you have... take it elsewhere. Unless of course you can answer the OP's question according to the bible... OH.. thats right.. you don't know it. You just know how to put Christians down. I keep forgetting that.

[Wondergirl]

Athos,

Really? "you people".... smh. I know it is late but I am in NO mood for your nasty comments. If this is the best you have...take it elsewhere. Unless of course you can answer the OP's question according to the bible...OH..thats right..you don't know it. You just know how to put Christians down. I keep forgetting that.

He knows it far better than most Christians, even me.

Consider what he says, not how he says it.

[RJ16]

What is it about the King James Version that you people are so obsessed with? Do you ever think about that?

Beautiful language? Without a doubt. True to the original writings? Not hardly.

Consider what a non-literal translation of the Bible does to your insistence on the literal-ness of your reading. Are you channeling God - or King James?

WOW! Why are YOU obsessed with knocking down fundamenalists?
I have read multiple versions of Scripture and I've studies enough Greek/hebrew to know the KJV is the most accurate. I'm not obsessed with the KJV. I am not channeling King James. I AM obsessed with God however. His awesomness captivates me! I want the most accurate version out there.

And I believe the verse was quoted earlier about "my ways are not your ways, neither my thoughts your thoughts". If our thoughts can not be like that of God's, He wouldn't have left the interpreting to us! So, since we cannot think like God, He did not leave us to interpret His meaning, and thus, we can take literal meanings. I said earlier, God does give metaphors that He usually gives a clear understanding of. If we read the Word and then interpret it to our liking, it is no longer God's Word with God's meaning, but man's.

Thanks Classy!
And WG, I've considered both... I don't like either the words or the way. Something tells me, we all need to go to bed. I feel bad for the guy who made the original post!

[Wondergirl]

He usually gives a clear understanding of. If we read the Word and then interpret it to our liking, it is no longer God's Word with God's meaning, but man's.

You believe God created in six 24-hour days?