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tomder55 · Feb 27, 2013, 11:39 AM

Requiring 50% of the cuts from Defense is the really stupid part, not that there aren't plenty of cuts that need to be made there, but because the pols will do more things like the game playing they have already done in cancelling deployment of the USS Harry Truman to the Gulf which endangers our valuable troops (upwards of ten percent of our entire military forces) instead of going after the non-essentials first. These kinds of actions will get their own chapter in the "Decline and fall of the American Empire" book.

That's the point . Senator Tom Coburn has identified enough waste in the Pentagon budget to slash it by $500 billion in 10 years. The President is intentionally choosing the cuts which will have the highest negative impact .
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/gop-s...n-defense-cuts

smoothy · Feb 27, 2013, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

That's the point . Senator Tom Coburn has identified enough waste in the Pentagon budget to slash it by $500 billion in 10 years. The President is intentionally choosing the cuts which will have the highest negative impact .

Exactly... if he cut the Welfare program... no productive member of the country would have to suffer.

These are spiteful cuts by a petty, petulant.. and spiteful man...

talaniman · Feb 27, 2013, 12:13 PM

Health care delivery is the biggest driver of the debt, and you so called free market capitalist should be outraged that the health industry is NOT a free market.

Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us | TIME.com

Yet those who work in the health care industry and those who argue over health care policy seem inured to the shock. When we debate health care policy, we seem to jump right to the issue of who should pay the bills, blowing past what should be the first question: Why exactly are the bills so high?

What are the reasons, good or bad, that cancer means a half-million- or million-dollar tab? Why should a trip to the emergency room for chest pains that turn out to be indigestion bring a bill that can exceed the cost of a semester of college? What makes a single dose of even the most wonderful wonder drug cost thousands of dollars? Why does simple lab work done during a few days in a hospital cost more than a car? And what is so different about the medical ecosystem that causes technology advances to drive bills up instead of down?

Read more: Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us | TIME.com

If you stop getting your facts from the right wing blogosphere you would have a more reasonable position about debt, deficits, and spending, and what to do about a non employment recovery from a recession that saw the robbery of trillions.

And you guys are still holding the door open for them to make a getaway.

smoothy · Feb 27, 2013, 12:27 PM

Cripes... what total BS... just because the majority of liberals are too cheap to go out and buy their own insurance... they expect the rest of us to pay for it for them.

Socializend medicine is like everything else that is part of socialism... it all sucks... unless you are trhe couch potato that gets something for nothing... THOSE are the only ones that think its great.

tomder55 · Feb 27, 2013, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Health care delivery is the biggest driver of the debt, and you so called free market capitalist should be outraged that the health industry is NOT a free market.

Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us | TIME.com

If you stop getting your facts from the right wing blogosphere you would have a more reasonable position about debt, deficits, and spending, and what to do about a non employment recovery from a recession that saw the robbery of trillions.

And you guys are still holding the door open for them to make a getaway.

You mean the already socialized parts like Medicare /Medicaid . Yes I'd like those reformed ;but the Dems think they are the 3rd rail.

talaniman · Feb 27, 2013, 02:19 PM

Medicare and Medicaid can negotiate costs, even drug costs that you cannot, and bend the cost curb to make it affordable. But of course you are stuck on supply side capitalist solutions to rising costs that leaves cutting benefits to old folks and poor people.

Even Reagan recognized that a modest raise in the deduction caps brought solvency back into the system, and even now more people with jobs would stabilized not only the deficit, but also lower spending in the long term.

How you capitalists can ignore the supply, DEMAND, and circulation as equal parts of economic equations is a testament to the one sided-ness that's really unfair to the whole, and what landed us in this position in the first place. To continue what screwed us up, sounds like an intentional robbery to me.

Just because the rules were wiped out systematically doesn't mean its not criminal, or you are being honest about whose fault it really is. The socialist didn't screw us, you greedy capitalist did, and still are and that's the real reason your side has lost yet another presidency.

paraclete · Feb 27, 2013, 03:51 PM

Tal he is still bleeting about having to pay more or being forced to pay his share.

The way to get control of medical costs is a government oversighted program with a single payer on the insurance side. In other words capping the benefit procedure by procedure. The patient can then "negotiate" with the doctor or the insurer can do it on behalf of the patient. In our system the patient is not allowed to insure for the gap on simple procedures so you get a co-payment and the patient can decide if the doctor is worth it. There are many doctors who work for the regulated fee and bill the single payer.The single payer also works for drugs with the government oversight of drugs, same deal a fixed benefit and a dispensing fee to the pharmacist, so there is no running to Canada for cheap drugs, I've seen their prices not cheap

Your free enterprise system is killing you because the doctors are in charge, used to be that way here, now we deliver quality medicine at a fraction of your cost

smoothy · Feb 27, 2013, 06:42 PM

Let the lazy bums that skipped class in high school and probably even dropped out work harder to pay their own way... they made their choices then... they don't deserve a free ride now because the rest of us actually studied and worked..

paraclete · Feb 27, 2013, 06:57 PM

Yes it's like the money end of town ever cared about public education or passed the opportunity to go to college to the poor..

cdad · Feb 27, 2013, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Your free enterprise system is killing you because the doctors are in charge, used to be that way here, now we deliver quality medicine at a fraction of your cost

The doctors are not in charge. It's the lawyers that are in charge and they are the ones that are adding huge amounts of money to go to nothing. It's the lawuit lottery that runs deep in the medical system that is ruining it.

paraclete · Feb 27, 2013, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

The doctors are not in charge. Its the lawyers that are in charge and they are the ones that are adding huge amounts of money to go to nothing. Its the lawuit lottery that runs deep in the medical system that is ruining it.

Well place limits on liability, that's what we have done. You just have to bite the bullet and stop the lottery,stop the lawyers running away with the system, and stop the vexacious suits that have no merit

cdad · Feb 27, 2013, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

well place limits on liability, that's what we have done. you just have to bite the bullet and stop the lottery,stop the lawyers running away with the system, and stop the vexacious suits that have no merit

Actuallt they could leave the limits alone and just make it loser pays. That would stop most of it in its tracks right away.

paraclete · Feb 27, 2013, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by califdadof3

Actuallt they could leave the limits alone and just make it loser pays. That would stop most of it in its tracks right away.

So you allow no win no pay then, but costs can be awarded to the other side

tomder55 · Feb 28, 2013, 06:21 AM

It's court costs... there is no consequences for bringing frivilous civil cases to court .

talaniman · Feb 28, 2013, 06:37 AM

Way off base guys as what we are talking about is the costs of health care which is skyrocketing, has been for decades, and its insurance companies and hospitals controlling the whole show, not doctors, lawyers, and patients. Even not for profit religious based hospitals are raking in huge amounts in inflated billing practices.

This isn't the free market, it's a very closed market with one beneficiary.

smoothy · Feb 28, 2013, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Yes it's like the money end of town ever cared about public education or passed the opportunity to go to college to the poor..

Um... the Poor have a better opportunity to go to college than you think... fully paid for. At least in this country.

That is if you are a minority... if you are poor and white... and NOT on Welfare.. you get the shaft...

Most of my time in high school my parents worked part time jobs to make ends meet... because my father was laid off most of the time...

Yet being born white... I got no help... funny how if you are white and working part time jobs to pay your mortgage and raise your kids... you are considered too wealthy to get help... even if Welfare would have ben a step UP... than they got to go to COllege free... PLUS they got Paid to go to class also, How do you think Obama got a free ride... it wasn't from grades... in those years any minority that wanted to go to college got in free... and they had quotas back then that had nothing to do with merit.

I know this because Obama is only a few months older than I am. I got the shaft being white while he got it all handed to him being a minority.

He got a free ride even though HE was actually pretty well off... and I had to borrow every dime I was allowed in student loans to go to college... at over 8% interest that I spent a decade paying back... Obama had his paid for by tax dollars for no other reason than his skin color.

tomder55 · Feb 28, 2013, 06:41 AM

Way off base guys as what we are talking about is the costs of health care which is skyrocketing, has been for decades, and its insurance companies and hospitals controlling the whole show, not doctors, lawyers, and patients. Even not for profit religious based hospitals are raking in huge amounts in inflated billing practices.

This isn't the free market, it's a very closed market with one beneficiary.

Probably so ;but don't call it free market . The problem of course is that it has been rigged against free competition by government regulation... and the solution would be a return to free competition.

speechlesstx · Feb 28, 2013, 08:08 AM

Not content to advise you should blast off a couple of shots outside from your porch with a 12 gauge, Joe "Shotgun" Biden offers this advice:

I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”

I would hope you're damn sure of what's on the other side but hey...

Wait, isn't that that Pistorius guy's excuse, he shot through the door first and asked questions later?

tomder55 · Mar 1, 2013, 08:30 AM

Well maybe VP Joe's advice isn't really the best advice...

Biden Advises Shooting Shotgun Through Door - US News and World Report

speechlesstx · Mar 1, 2013, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

well maybe VP Joe's advice aint really the best advice ....

Biden Advises Shooting Shotgun Through Door - US News and World Report

Yep, the "Oscar Pistorius school of self-defense" as noted above. Pretty much all of Joe's advice could get you arrested. And for some reason "Dumbya" keeps coming to mind this week...