[Tim Walker]

:rolleyes: What is the name of your God?

[chrisl]

I worship Jehovah.

Chris

[Tim Walker]

Are you a Jehovah witness? :)

[G4-450]

If he is not then he has even more confusion on his hands:
dictionary.reference.com

Je·ho·vah= God, especially in Christian translations of the Old Testament.

If your jewish you never type the name God, you say G-D.
footnote;
This name, the Tetragrammaton of the Greeks, was held by the later Jews to be so sacred that it was never pronounced except by the high priest on the great Day of Atonement, when he entered into the most holy place.
The Hebrew name "Jehovah" is generally translated in the Authorized Version (and the Revised Version has not departed from this rule) by the word LORD printed in small capitals, to distinguish it from the rendering of the Hebrew _Adonai_ and the Greek _Kurios_, which are also rendered Lord, but printed in the usual type.

The Hebrew word is translated "Jehovah" only in Ex. 6:3; Ps. 83:18; Isa. 12:2; 26:4, and in the compound names mentioned below. It is worthy of notice that this name is never used in the LXX. the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Apocrypha, or in the New Testament. It is found, however, on the "Moabite stone" (q.v.), and consequently it must have been in the days of Mesba so commonly pronounced by the Hebrews as to be familiar to their heathen neighbors.

Matthew 6[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
[7] But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Did you know that the original name of God is "Elaw", or "ilah" in both Aramaic and Arabic respectively and are derived from the mother word "Allah". even Semitic speaking people refer to God as ALLAH in the new testament.
When did people start worshiping Gods rather then God anyway?

B're bara ELOHIM et ha-shama'im, V'et ha-arets.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
While Christians will forever speculate on the word "Elohim" (), honest Hebrew speakers would admit that this archaic word for God has a history that is lost to us. The "royal plurality" hypothesis may be a possible explanation for why the word is plural, but this seems to have been unknown to early Hebrew speakers (such as the Jewish missionary who, according to the Kuzari, competed with Muslims and Christians to convert the king of the Khazars in the eighth century). It is difficult however to translate this word to "gods," as the Hebrew text conjugates the verb "to create" in the singular. Regardless, (Elohim) is a plural forum of a more basic root-word for God, (eloh)

However, if one were to find the word (eloh) (alef-lamed-heh) in an inscription written in paleo-Hebrew, Aramaic, or some sort of Nabatean script, it could be pronounced numerous ways without the diacritical marks to guide the reader. This letter combination (which can be pronounced alah) is the root for the verb "to swear" or "to take an oath," as well as the verb "to deify" or "to worship", as can be seen as follows:

The root itself finds its origin with an older root, el, which means God, deity, power, strength, et cetera.

So one of the basic Hebrew words for God, (eloh), can easily be pronounced alah without the diacritical marks. Not surprisingly, the Aramaic word for God[2] is (alah). This word, in the standard script (), or the Estrangela script (), is spelled alap-lamad-heh (ALH), which are the exact corresponding letters to the Hebrew eloh. The Aramaic is closely related to the more ancient root word for God, eel.[3]

The Arabic word for God, Allâh () , is spelled in a very similar way, and is remotely related to the more generic word for deity, (ilah).

God as in the english way that we are using it here, latin, has a gender. Gods or Goddesses. and can confuse people from what the real universal name God means.

I posted this not to defend Islam or Muslims but to remind that hebrew was never a spoken living language until 1948. they also did not use vowels so it is ella in Hebrew and ALLAH in arabic or most Semitic languages.

[G4-450]

I should continue to help reformed jews see more.
Interestingly enough, there is proof from a Christian source that clearly demonstrates the above.

The above book mentions that Ezra and the Prophet Daniel called their God as "Elah". The passage above is more than enough to counter the allegation made by misguided Christians about Allâh being a moon god. For, if Allâh is the moon god, then what were Ezra and Daniel worshipping?

Conclusion

Pantheist/Buddhist thinker Brett Neichin has said of Christians that they are reformed Jews and do not even know it. Indeed, much of Christianity finds its roots in the Semitic world, yet the believers of this religion are notorious for their interpretations of the faith in a European world view. This is the reason they would actually try to find fault with a religion that acknowledges the existence of the same God they do; this is the reason they would erroneously claim that Eloh, Alah, and Allâh are different Gods.

[NeedKarma]

My God's name is Jennifer.

[G4-450]

My God's name is Jennifer.

There you go

These are Gods and Goddesses. or even objects for worship.
People in the ignorant days invented many superstitions lie it.

Did you know that people used to actually believe that stars where gods floating around in space, like Zeus, diana or isis was the moon etc?

Polytheism is the first commandment you should never break, if you're a jew, christian or muslim that is, and from the roots of Abraham.

[chrisl]

Are you a Jehovah witness? :)

Yes.

And actually, the technically correct way to say this is that I am "one of Jehovah's Witnesses." The name is based on a scripture where Jehovah refers to his worshippers as his "witnesses" (Isa 43:10) so the name is possessive. I guess it's not the easiest name because people have so many different ways of saying it. I have even been called Jehovah which is kind of unsettling...

Chris

[chrisl]

If he is not then he has even more confusion on his hands:

I am, so are you saying I am confused? About what, specifically? Maybe I can clear up some misconceptions.

In truth, I found your post to be a little confused on some points but I am presuming it is an honest confusion, so I will address a few!

This name, the Tetragrammaton of the Greeks,

Actually, the Tetragrammaton is Hebrew not Greek. The ancient nation of Israel were Jehovah's people and it was to them that he revealed his name so that it was recorded in the scriptures.

It is worthy of notice that this name is never used in the LXX. the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Apocrypha, or in the New Testament.

This just isn't accurate. There are extant copies of the LXX that contain the Tetragrammaton. It was in the earliest copies but was removed from later copies. And there are modern translations of the Bible that use Jehovah in the "New Testament." There is no reason not to, especially in the many places where an "Old Testament" verse is quoted that contains God's name.

It is found, however, on the "Moabite stone" (q.v.), and consequently it must have been in the days of Mesba so commonly pronounced by the Hebrews as to be familiar to their heathen neighbors.

Obviously, the divine name was important in the worship and daily lives of the ancient Jews. Such emphasis is supported (and required) by the scriptures.

But your quote of Matthew is misapplied. Here Jesus is specifically denouncing "vain repetitions" or use of extravagant prayers. Of course, Christians were never to imitate heathens, or pagans, but just because they knew who Jehovah was is no reason for Christians to avoid using his name. In fact, Jehovah himself repeatedly said that many nations will eventually know his name. (for ex, Eze 38:23)

When did people start worshiping Gods rather then God anyway?

In Christendom, it really got started in the 4th century C.E. with the Arian Controversy which eventually led to the adoption of the trinity doctrine. A careful and open-minded examination of the trinity reveals that it is of pagan origin and is not supported by the scriptures.

This teaching (and many others) was in keeping with the apostasy foretold at 1 Tim 4:1-3, 2 Thess 2:3 and other places. And in case you don't know, Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept or teach the trinity. We give our worship only to Jehovah.

but this seems to have been unknown to early Hebrew speakers (such as the Jewish missionary who, according to the Kuzari, competed with Muslims and Christians to convert the king of the Khazars in the eighth century).

Well, I would not call an 8th century Jew an "early Hebrew speaker"! Maybe 8th century B.C.E., but not C.E. The actual pronunciation of ancient Hebrew was lost by that time.

God as in the english way that we are using it here, latin, has a gender. Gods or Goddesses. and can confuse people from what the real universal name God means.

This is interesting because many people do not think about what God's name means. The Tetragrammaton can be literally translated as "he causes to become" which tells us an important fact about Jehovah. He is able to become anything necessary to accomplish his will: a deliverer, a teacher, a provider, a protector, etc.

So much has been lost by the removal of God's name from the Bible. It makes him impersonal, ignores his will that his worshippers make his name known (Isa 12:4; Matt 6:9; Acts 15:14; etc.) and it creates confusion and ambiguity which allowed teachings like the trinity to develop.

Chris

[NeedKarma]

there you go

these are Gods and Goddesses., or even objects for worship.
People in the ignorant days invented many superstitions lie it.

did you know that people used to actually believe that stars where gods floating around in space, like Zeus, diana or isis was the moon etc?

polytheism is the first commandment you should never break, if your a jew, christian or muslim that is, and from the roots of Abraham.

I honestly do not understand a word of what you just said.

[G4-450]

I honestly do not understand a word of what you just said.

Either did the people Jesus spoke to about Abraham, IN ARAMAIC and not Hebrew, and he called God Eloi or ALLA, o reven ABBA (lord and father)

Abraham realized you can not worship the stars, the sun or the moon, because the people at his time did.. Abraham could not understand how a setting sun, a disappearing moon and dying stars be God when God should be what is Immortal. but these things are not and could not give you a soul or even the life that you have. yet you may think this from a mortal view.

The rest about the Gods and Goddesses are just Myths, Diana or Isis is the Moon, Jupiter is Zeus and so one, they are just planets and these people never really existed but people still look at these things as objectives when in no doubt superstitious.

So Abraham chose the one true immortal Creator, not mortal creations, he worshiped the God that is still living and will beyond this life you and I also have hee, and te God we will be called upon consciously for all we did.

In Roman Latin, gods and goddesses names have gender value, God does not and is unique, so you can easily confuse God with man made gods and goddesses easy because they share the same names God. try using Hebrew or other Semitic languages like Elohim or ALLAH and you have no beginning and no end yet a sustainer of all worlds, even indescribable.

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As far as the other post, I have not really read it all but I can say in that its incorrect to call the people of the people of the ancients jews, or even hebrews when Moses put stories about Adam and Abraham on paper generations after they took place.
1-we all know that Abraham existed Before Moses , we, meaning people who can read.
2-and Moses got the book generations after Abraham.. right... :)
3-the torah, are the books which are in the Bible AKA old testament, which people who fallow Judaism are supposed to be practicing but many orthodox jews prefer the Talmud's that condemn the Torah and Christianity with hatred.

So, Abraham was not a Jew, Abraham spoke Chaldean if anything. even Moses was not at his time, they where known as the hebrew people,

And amongst the people who knew of HEBREW where "the Children of Israel". not the place Israel, but Jacob's Children, Jacob who had his name changed to Israel in the torah.

The post I made about Jesus cursing the jews by calling them devils are the jews who fallow the Talmud, the babylonian and new Talmud's after the time of Jesus have deep rooted hatred towards Jesus and even call his mother a harlot. Jesus denounced this ORTHODOX WAY TO PRACTICE religion of Judah, a singled out tribe that took control of all other Israeli tribes, and Jesus was a Jew who defected. clearly.

I know many Jews who call themselves jews but actually never practice, and they do not like the idea that all this ZIONISM will only insult others and attract problems to them for just been Jewish by name. why a head count in the U.S. of jews anyway?
Because Judaism as of today,is not practiced with the roots of Abraham as Moses ministered it. but filled with so much Bigotry according to the Talmud's, If you search around the net you will discover other bigots sharing there justification for hating Jews and even Muslims from this, and this all certainly gives muslims a positive message about the things they are carrying out on innocent people.

The Koran seems to be the only book that states how many woman to marry (biblical times allowed sex with girls at the age 3 and as many as 100 wives), to treat them equally, introduced the first peace treaties and as long as you believe in God, feed the needy and remember the meeting on the last day of your life you will not grieve, no matter what religion you fallow... this is why muslims lived peacefully the longest with Jews and Christians.

So once you the truth has been cleared to you and you continue to sin, hell is your abode, I can post links and add what Jesus stating as well. There is not enough money or treasures in the world that you can round up to bargain with God on the day you go to hell. is that is what you choose to do while here, while you have the free choice to do everything.

Anyone who has links to prove other then what is in this post please show them and I can too, we can learn allot about this together if your willing.

Other facts:
-Judaism is a religion, yet Zionists like to think of Jews as a race, the only other people who shared this opinion before this new cult arrived where the racist nazis, then today the U.S. of A. Government that states them as a ethnic minority, there is no evidence that jews are a race, it's a religion. you have to be jewish to have a israeli citizenship, not much of a democracy there is it?

-Religious fanatics believe that Jesus comes from the same blood line as Jacob and it's a race thing, again a theories like the ones Hitler used.
Racism depends very much on how people judge others based on appearance or theories rather then understanding there characters.
I can not say that muslims are religious fanatics if they do not agree with racism like this.

And what kind of God created the jews that could not possibly create another species? I rather stick to the one true God of Abraham who created everything and your conscience all together.

The closest Hebrew word to the Arabic Allaah (alif-lam-lam-ha) would be the Hebrew Allah (alef-lamed-lamed-heh), which is used by Hebrew speaking Muslims, and has been used by Arabic Jews.

[chrisl]

dont worry about our gods name you need to change your evil ways and stop your sinning i know that you do sin just as most of the people on this god foresaken world,so dont contribute to the masses, follow the word of god,and at the end of the quest you shall find me says the lord i am the way and the truth follow me and you shall be saved.saved from what this is your question,dont listen to the gargleing rambles of the others.i say to you give up your name and change it to john as a commitment to me and my prayers will save you so that you may enter my fathers house.amen

Misrepresenting this self-righteous nonsense as the message of the Bible is just plain wrong and only serves to turn reasonable people away from the Bible.

[G4-450]

dont worry about our gods name you need to change your evil ways and stop your sinning i know that you do sin just as most of the people on this god foresaken world,so dont contribute to the masses, follow the word of god,and at the end of the quest you shall find me says the lord i am the way and the truth follow me and you shall be saved.saved from what this is your question,dont listen to the gargleing rambles of the others.i say to you give up your name and change it to john as a commitment to me and my prayers will save you so that you may enter my fathers house.amen

Confusing long paragraph but very good too :)

You are saying the name does not matter, but stop been evil is the message.
I agree, look how long my post is in the defence of all 3 religions to remember there own one true God. well certain of the fallowers I meant.

But at the same time, the name never really changed since some of the oldest spoken semetic (afro asian) languages, and by understanding the name you get a better idea of one universal God, creator and not confuse the name up with myths.


But changing your name to John, I did not get that one.

But you made a very good point about the name though, Omniscience God knows our prayers before we start them, and who we are trying to make contact with.

But yes it comes off as a self rightious message here and there when he posts
Oh Jesus...

[Tim Walker]

This is interesting because many people do not think about what God's name means. The Tetragrammaton can be literally translated as "he causes to become" which tells us an important fact about Jehovah. He is able to become anything necessary to accomplish his will: a deliverer, a teacher, a provider, a protector, etc.


Chris[/QUOTE]

The real universal name of God is Jehovah. :)

[chrisl]

The real universal name of God is Jehovah.

Well, it's the Anglicized version anyway. Just like Jesus is the Anglicized version of his original Hebrew name (Yeshua, I believe.) In fact, just about every name in the Bible has been Anglicized in English translations. It's funny that some people argue that we shouldn't use God's name because we don't know how to pronounce it properly. If that were true, we couldn't use ANY name in our Bibles!

On a side note, someone recently told me that God's name is also the "Great Secret Mystery" of the Freemasons! Talk about an open secret...

Chris

[G4-450]

In reality,
Only the same pagans who where the enemies of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and even Mohammed think everything is a great mystery, because they can never understand what the name God means and they never have contact with God, yet they try to munipulate the universal laws God controls and they still do not get it.

The free masons believe in the one supreme being, in arabic the name ELI or ALLAH, fits the translation. and not Ala the moon God which the enemies of Abraham try to mix Islam with.
Is clear to state all generations after him who fallow his covenant are basically Muslims, maybe not the same way we see them today but at-least by VERB... which means doing Gods will, and even the Koran states that Christians, Jews and Magis (free masons) wilkl not suffer at the least in this life as long as they believe in God's will and do rightious deeds.

[fredg]

Hi,
It is Jesus Christ, the son of God.
Best wishes,
fredg

[G4-450]

The son or the father?

Not all people believe Jesus Christ wanted people to worship him do they?

Matthew 15:19 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him. God is a Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at anytime, nor seen His shape.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord...

Do you know Jesus never claimed divinity?
“I do nothing of myself.” (John 8:28) “My father is greater than I.” (John 14:28) “The Lord our God is one Lord.” (Mark 12:29)

Do you know that Jesus' message was not for all people?
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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I say its time to educate people about Abrahams message and help them see there place in it all.

Matt.1
[1] The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
[2] Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
[17] So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Matt.3
[9] And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Matt.8
[11] And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Matt.22
[32] I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Mark.12
[26] And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Luke.1
[55] As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
[73] The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

Luke.3
[8] Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
[34] Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

Luke.13
[28] There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

[G4-450]

This is interesting because many people do not think about what God's name means. The Tetragrammaton can be literally translated as "he causes to become" which tells us an important fact about Jehovah. He is able to become anything necessary to accomplish his will: a deliverer, a teacher, a provider, a protector, etc.


Chris

The real universal name of God is Jehovah. :)

No its not and never was,
Any Jew can agree with "ELI" (no name) in hebrew and "ALLAH" in arabic and aramaic, which Jesus spoke.
The Tora was in Hebrew but with out vowels, and Abraham who is responsible for the covenant of all 3 faithes never spoke hebrew, yet ALLAH was the name of God.

These is not my opinion, and if I am incorrect please post a link and stop giving yours if its not a universal God your proclaiming, the God Jesus spoke of created all mankind. not just the one the children of Israel at his time who where the lost sheep of Israel proclaimed.

[chrisl]

No its not and never was,
Any Jew can agree with "ELI" (no name) in hebrew and "ALLAH" in arabic and aramaic, which Jesus spoke.,
The Tora was in Hebrew but with out vowels, and Abraham who is responsible for the covenant of all 3 faithes never spoke hebrew, yet ALLAH was the name of God.

I don't quite understand your position on the scriptures. The Quran clearly indicates that the Bible, as the earlier book, provides reliable guidance as the word of God. For example, Al Imram [3]:3 says that the Quran confirms, or verifies "... that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat [Torah] and the Injeel [Gospels] aforetime, a guidance for the people... "

Furthermore, Yanus [10]:94 says "But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers" (M.H. Shakir Translation--underlines are mine)

So, do you accept the Bible as truth or do you exclude certain parts? If so, which? And are you willing to reason on what the Bible says?

Chris