[talaniman]

What's clear is the left (and their media accomplices) are demonizing the right relentlessly and dishonestly and no one except Fox and the conservative blogosphere is holding Democrats accountable for anything. Your post is an excellent example. I want people to make informed decisions, your side wants the me to remain clueless. Them's the facts, Jack.

They listen to you, they listen to us, and run from YOU.

I know what I said.....and its not what you are trying to make it into.....let me guess...you voted for Obama and believe the economy is getting better and jobs are being created too, just because the Messiah claims its so?

Also despite there being 8.5 million fewer people in the workforce today than was in it 4 years ago....and that number hasn't been improving....you do know the real unemployment rate is 14.4% not the bogus number they claim that doesn't include people who didn't qualify for benifits because they were self eployed or contractors...or gave up looking when their benitits ran out..

Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization

the U6 rate on the linked chart....from the Bureau of Laborstatistics website directly....

Get on them job creators Smoothy, like you get on them fat lazy job seekers.

[speechlesstx]

[QUOTE=talaniman;3385575]They listen to you, they listen to us, and run from YOU. [/quote}

There you go again.

[tomder55]

They listen to you, they listen to us, and run from YOU.



Get on them job creators Smoothy, like you get on them fat lazy job seekers.

Yeah guess we'll have to since it is already demonstrated that stimulus spending does squat except expand the role call of the government dependent.

[talaniman]

Well if government shouldn't create jobs and job creators won't then who? You think all those unemployed are from government? No they were from the private sector, state and local governments.

The states got there stimulus money and the smart ones used the time to make adjustments but now they are on their own. Yeah go talk to your "job creators". Let me know how that works out for you while the fat lazy takers who lost their jobs, benefits, and homes go to Wall Mart, and the food stamp office. There is no place left to go and you guys holler about your rights, but try to pursue happiness with no money in a capitalist country.

Show a guy how to fish, and there ain't no fish. GREAT PLAN. Hope you are never tested as some of our citizens have been.

[Tuttyd]

I know what I said.....and its not what you are trying to make it into.....let me guess...you voted for Obama and believe the economy is getting better and jobs are being created too, just because the Messiah claims its so?

No, you don't know what you said otherwise you would not be using the same conjunction fallacy yet again.

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_fallacy


No, I've never voted for Obama.

[talaniman]

Wall Street is doing great, as is the private sector, but those job creators aren't making jobs. Maybe they should change their names back to rich guys, and we get some new job creators.

Got any ideas where we can find someone like that?

[excon]

Hello again:

Can I shift the conversation?? I say conservatives have moved way right. THEY say, oh no... We're STILL in the middle. It's YOU who have moved far left.

Now, I don't want to discuss WHO is right.. That will never be solved here... What I want to talk about is HOW we solve our problems, whether they're problems the right wing thinks we have, or the left, when each of us believe the OTHER guy is nuts?

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again:

Can I shift the conversation??? I say conservatives have moved way right. THEY say, oh no... We're STILL in the middle. It's YOU who have moved far left.

Now, I don't wanna discuss WHO is right.. That will never be solved here... What I wanna talk about is HOW we solve our problems, whether they're problems the right wing thinks we have, or the left, when each of us believe the OTHER guy is nuts?

excon

Then why start by basically calling us nuts?

[Wondergirl]

What I wanna talk about is HOW we solve our problems

Dear esteemed excon:

I can think of two that both parties can happily work on together:

1. Teach our youngsters that they don't have to look to gangs and to each other to get "love" and emotional/social support, and
2. Teach all students how to think (not regurgitate).

Respectfully,
WG

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Then why start by basically calling us nuts?

If you're willing to give up the job of saving the world because some Yahoo on the internet said you were nuts, then you have a much thinner skin than I thought..

But, besides that, I think I was calling BOTH sides nuts, as viewed through each others perspective.. But, I can see we're going to get bogged down again.. Oh, well.. I'm TRYING to forge something here.

Excon

[Wondergirl]

I'm TRYING here.

Some would say, you're ALWAYS trying. :D

[tomder55]

HOW we solve our problems, whether they're problems the right wing thinks we have, or the left, when each of us believe the OTHER guy is nuts?

Meet me at the Heights of Weehawken.


Maybe we don't solve them. These are age old issues in this country . I look at today's leaders and I don't see greatness. I don't see great compromisers like John C. Calhoun, Daniel Webster, Stephen A. Douglas,Robert Y. Hayne and Henry Clay in the Senate Chambers creating what turned out to be a series of temporary compromises (thanks to SCOTUS fatally undermining their efforts ) . I see Reid and the Scmuckster ,and McConnell and Jon Kyl (thankfully he's retiring ) .

So I'll propose something we both can agree on... term limits and throw the bums out until we get great leadership.

[NeedKarma]

So I'll propose something we both can agree on... term limits and throw the bums out until we get great leadership.

Still won't work - you need to curb the lobbying and the political "donations".

[tomder55]

What ? You don't believe in participatory democracy ?

[cdad]

Hello again, Steve:

If you're willing to give up the job of saving the world because some yahoo on the internet said you were nuts, then you have a much thinner skin than I thought..

But, besides that, I think I was calling BOTH sides nuts, as viewed through each others perspective.. But, I can see we're gonna get bogged down again.. Oh, well.. I'm TRYING to forge something here.

excon

If you really want change then its going to have to come from full disclosure and not the way it is being currently done in Washington. Translation for both sides: Stop the lies coming from either party and work at goals where you can meet and expand from there. It is not a difficult process but it does tend to be rather long because both sides actually have to listen and reflect on what the other is saying.

[paraclete]

what ? You don't believe in participatory democracy ?

Being ruled by faceless men in lobby's and PAC's is not democracy Tom it is a farce

[tomder55]

Yeah like the teacher's unions ; the Sierra Club , all of hundreds of advocacy groups that commonly petition the government . Face it ;you only object to businesses doing what environmental organizations ,trade unions ,etc have been doing for decades .

[paraclete]

Personally Tom I don't think any of it should be allowed

[NeedKarma]

what ? You don't believe in participatory democracy ?

Oh dear, there's some heavy rationalization to arrive at that conclusion.

[Tuttyd]

yeah like the teacher's unions ; the Sierra Club , all of hundreds of advocacy groups that commonly petition the government . Face it ;you only object to businesses doing what environmental organizations ,trade unions ,etc have been doing for decades .

Forget it Tom. Participatory democracy is quickly dying. I've been posting stuff to this effect for a while. But, hey - what would I know about such things.