[cdad]

I would prefer evolution instead and as WG and Dad are pointing out, its so complex, rational dialogue is whats needed, not just laws and guns.

Dang it!! Where is that geenie button. ;)

[tomder55]

I would prefer evolution instead and as WG and Dad are pointing out, its so complex, rational dialogue is whats needed, not just laws and guns.

Tell that to Governor Andrew Cuomo who couldn't wait to ram-rod the most ridiculous draconian law about guns in the nation through the NY government... without a sniff of rational dialogue

[cdad]

Tell that to Governor Andrew Cuomo who couldn't wait to ram-rod the most ridiculous draconian law about guns in the nation through the NY government ....without a sniff of rational dialogue

Big surprise... a politician Grandstanding.


At least here we seem to have settled down in the debate and are now focusing on problems and issues instead of straight emotions.

[tomder55]

He's trying to set up a 2016 Presidential run. His only chance is if Evita is telling the truth when she says she's not running .

[speechlesstx]

But then we have fatherless families with single moms raising children (created by more than one father), and she works two and three jobs while the children come home from school to an empty house and get into all kinds of mischief, plus look to gangs (i.e., guns and violence) and the opposite sex to find "love" and a support system since there is none at home. So how does one tackle that problem?.

I don't know, seems to me that's the consequences of feminism, the sexual revolution, secular humanism, the liberal education system and just otherwise isolating and demonizing faith and family values... imho.

[talaniman]

I will say it again, there is a big difference between the big city, and the rural cities. Crime and gangs are much more pervasive in NY, than say a burg of a few thousand people. Seldom do you have so many enclaves of drugs and violence and poverty, than the larger cities. Cops are busy and out and about and makes no sense for them to be out gunned. The vehicle of death is not crazy people acting out, but bands of people with bad intentions.

[tomder55]

Would you then support the NYC solution of stop and frisk ? Or the more high tech version demonstrated by Police Commissioner Ray Kelly ?
NYPD testing new scanner that detects hidden guns - NYPOST.com
I can tell you that stop and frisk has been a highly successful program. There were 414 murders in NYC last year; a record low homicide rate . That is a drop from a high of over 2,000 in the Koch and Dinken years. The high tech version will be less intrusive and more effective .

Cops are busy and out and about and makes no sense for them to be out gunned.

Yeah but BOZO Cuomo forgot that cops use guns. He outlawed the magazines the cops service revolver uses.

[Wondergirl]

I don't know, seems to me that's the consequences of feminism, the sexual revolution, secular humanism, the liberal education system and just otherwise isolating and demonizing faith and family values...imho.

You really want to go back to women/mothers at home 24/7 and cooking a delicious and nutritious dinner every night that the whole family sat down at and conversed happily over, only fathers working, teachers and education respected and worth something, the church as the center of social/family life, a gallon of gasoline at 30 cents? Surely you jest!

[tomder55]

You could have all of that and the woman still having a choice . Maybe the man can cook a meal . I can. We both work and still made sure we left time for sit down family meals .We both do basic household chores ;and both parent.. Oh sometimes there was scheduling challenges ,but nothing that couldn't be worked out ,and it beats the hell out of one person trying to be both bread winner and parent .

[talaniman]

How the household functions is best left to the couple, but many house holds are headed by a single person and a lot are females. That's reality and should not be subjected to anyone's moral value system.

I have always been against stop and frisk without probable cause other than just race or age. Cast a wide net you can catch a few fish, that's blatant profiling. I am all for cops having new tools, but I hope its just not aimed at the hoodie crowd and that's their only probable cause. I can see it for safety in legit cases.

[Wondergirl]

you could have all of that and the woman still having a choice . Maybe the man can cook a meal . I can. We both work and still made sure we left time for sit down family meals .We both do basic household chores ;and both parent.. Oh sometimes there was scheduling challenges ,but nothing that couldn't be worked out ,and it beats the hell out of one person trying to be both bread winner and parent .

And we parents (married and in a stable relationship) teach our children from little on that they are part of the family and household and so contribute in whatever way they can, especially by doing chores appropriate to their age and ability. We parents monitor their schoolwork/homework and have ongoing communication with teachers and school. We parents establish a moral base, first with each other and then include children as they are born and brought up. Music will be classical, religious/spiritual, jazz, popular with only G-rated lyrics. Movies will be heartwarming or funny or even exciting but will always have a moral. TV shows will be similar to movies. No one will need guns except if they hunt, and those guns will be securely locked up.

[talaniman]

and it beats the hell out of one person trying to be both bread winner and parent .

Reality check------Some have to be both.

[tomder55]

How the household functions is best left to the couple, but many house holds are headed by a single person and a lot are females. That's reality and should not be subjected to anyone's moral value system.

I won't speak of the 2 female couple. But you and I know that a single parent is less than ideal.

Reality check------Some have to be both

reality check... duh... I was speaking about what ought to be.

[talaniman]

I speak of what is, and made no mention of a two female household, just one person, male, or female, same difference. That's reality too.

I wish I was rich, instead of handsome but that's my reality. :)

[tomder55]

.fine then I'll repeat Steve's appropriate comment since it contributes to the reality

I don't know, seems to me that's the consequences of feminism, the sexual revolution, secular humanism, the liberal education system and just otherwise isolating and demonizing faith and family values... imho.

[tomder55]

I have always been against stop and frisk without probable cause other than just race or age. Cast a wide net you can catch a few fish, that's blatant profiling. I am all for cops having new tools, but I hope its just not aimed at the hoodie crowd and that's their only probable cause. I can see it for safety in legit cases.

NYC ,before the new nonsense Cuomo law ,already had one of the toughest gun control laws in the nation.. maybe Chi-towns is tougher... both are ineffective as you just pointed out. The 2nd amendment you think is OK to violate ;but... have a solution that works ;and suddenly that amendment is inviolable.

[NeedKarma]

faith and family values

People of faith are no better or no worse that people with no faith, people are individuals not groups that get given common traits to all.
"Family values" is actually a meaningless statement as no one can define it.

[speechlesstx]

People of faith are no better or no worse that people with no faith, people are individuals not groups that get given common traits to all.
"Family values" is actually a meaningless statement as no one can define it.

And that attitude is a perfect demonstration of the problem.

[Wondergirl]

And that attitude is a perfect demonstration of the problem.

Please define -- what is a family and are its values?

[talaniman]

Family values is code for MY family values are correct, and YOURS is wicked. Its not a lack of definition, its an imposition of definitions that's the problem. Now everyone takes their INDIVIDUAL rights as absolute, written in stone, no changes, or variations according to the rights of anyone else.

It gives the strong license to subjugate the weak in the name of defending those rights.