[paraclete]

That's fine for the military Tom, but a civilian doesn't sign on for that, so we can expect a great emphasis on security and protecting important installations. Another excuse for an arms race, as if we needed one.

[tomder55]

I was civilian

[paraclete]

Algeria has resolved the crisis but failed to save the remaining hostages, that is a sad but predicable outcome which may alter the way foreign nationals sign on to projects in these regions.

Militants are also retreating in Mali as opposing forces grow. I expect militant islamists can take away from these events that the all conquering muslims hordes of yesteryear will not be allowed to reestablish the caliphate in North Africa

[tomder55]

2 responses... yesterday's Algerian response ;or the Obot's response to the Benghazi attack. Which scenario do you think the jihadists will likely repeat ? Note the Algerian response was surgical enough to spare the natural gas facility .

[paraclete]

2 responses ..... yesterday's Algerian response ;or the Obot's response to the Benghazi attack. Which scenario do you think the jihadists will likely repeat ? Note the Algerian response was surgical enough to spare the natural gas facility .

There was some damage but to come back to your question, BO's response to Benghazi would appear to have emboldened them but then we don't know what Libya was prepared to do, remember they don't want foreign troops and their views must be respected. US embassies have been fair game for Al Qaeda for a long time in Africa, I don't see anything has changed in that game, unless it is the US unwillingness to protect them.

I expect that the US should be offerring some surgical strikes in Mali/Libya/Algeria/etc on insurgent camps ala Clinton and Bush, that they haven't is surprising and could lead to more attacks. BO may be a person who can't multi-task or perhaps cruise missile stocks are depleted and cannot be replaced because of budget restraints

[tomder55]

US embassies have been fair game for Al Qaeda for a long time in Africa

It wasn't an embassy . It was a "special mission" . If you want to see the correct response to an attack on 'diplomats' ,see what the Russian Alpha Group did in Beirut 1985 .

[paraclete]

Tom it really doesn't matter whether it was an embassy or a mission in my mind. All right, one is sovereign soil and the other.. so you are saying because it wasn't an embassy BO is justified in sitting on his hands, reality says no, it is a deliberate provocation, a diplomat was murdered and the response is perceived to be weak. With Muslims you cannot show weakness they will take advantage of it

[tomder55]

so you are saying because it wasn't an embassy BO is justified in sitting on his hands, reality says no, it is a deliberate provocation, a diplomat was murdered and the response is perceived to be weak. With Muslims you cannot show weakness they will take advantage of it

I'm saying the opposite . He had time and resources to come to their aid immediately. Then after the murder ;he should've made the attackers feel like the world was raining down on them.

Yes our response was weak and a joke. I wonder if Zero is looking for a video maker to blame for this one.

[talaniman]

These terrorists in Algeria are thugs and criminals, who network with other thugs and criminals. Don't be fooled by idealogical rhetoric they use to justify what they do. They exploit the weak, and uneducated just like any other gang that seeks money through criminal activity.

[paraclete]

I agree Tal AQIM must be eliminated, there must be no safe haven

[tomder55]

These terrorists in Algeria are thugs and criminals, who network with other thugs and criminals. Don't be fooled by idealogical rhetoric they use to justify what they do. They exploit the weak, and uneducated just like any other gang that seeks money thru criminal activity.

That's what you call them ;others call them part of the growing Islamist renovatio ;I call it jihadistan. They may be loosely aligned at this point ;but they are aligned and united under a central vison of the world

[talaniman]

Naw, they are united by securing money and power through criminal activity. Stop looking at the rhetoric, and not seeing the scam. That's what criminals do, and words and actions don't match.

History is full of criminals who fatten there coffers in the name of whatever god they name. They worship only power, and money. Poverty, and ignorance are their tools. But they are never poor, nor ignorant. But they promise false hope in exchange for leading you to the promised land. What because they are Muslims in THIS case, it's the only time you acknowledge the evil?

No my friend, this model for tyranny and suppression is universal through out the races and religions, and countries of the world. What you never seen the few leading the many as a model for a society? Because they are Muslims its wrong, but the Pope is right? No difference.

[tomder55]

Yeah and the brown shirts were just a gang of thugs too.

[talaniman]

Did you mean the Nazi's or,

Obama 'Brownshirts' Bill Now Working Its Way Through The Senate :: Political News and commentaries :: Hyscience

?

[tomder55]

Sorry ,should've specified... the Sturmabteilung .
The Sturmabteilung or SA

[talaniman]

It scares me when we agree, its scares me that we do agree sometimes. Watching the Inaugural parade, tingles up my legs, and goose bumps on my arms.

[paraclete]

Did you mean the Nazi's or,

Obama 'Brownshirts' Bill Now Working Its Way Through The Senate :: Political News and commentaries :: Hyscience

??

Interesting concept but perhaps a cause for concern..

I know we have long said here that we lost something when national service military training was dropped, that youth became less disciplined because they weren't challenged in important areas of self discipline. At the surface this is a job creation program, the question is as always what will the youth be taught? Do you think you will see rallies with the President addressing vast numbers of youth as Hitler did in the thirties? Will you see youth marching in the streets?

[tomder55]

This doesn't surprise me. The Obots are the spawn of the 1960s Students for a Democratic Society SDS. The variant here would be that they work for the man instead of protesting government . The SDS of course begat the Weather underground of which Obama mentor William Ayers was so prominent .

But that is a different issue. It would shock me if a government program like this got off the ground ;let alone become a critical factor in America.

[talaniman]

Go ahead, cast off the youth voice too. You guys have already told them they stink and need to take a bath.

[paraclete]

But that is a different issue. It would shock me if a government program like this got off the ground ;let alone become a critical factor in America.

It might shock us all Tom, but then the occupy movement was a shock, so youth may yet shock us again by embracing a challenge