[paraclete]

You can't hold the President accountable for the actions of the many, he is there to lead but he may just be going for a walk

[tomder55]

You can't hold the President accountable for the actions of the many, he is there to lead but he may just be going for a walk

What Speech said... Apparently Obama can't be held accountable for anything...

[paraclete]

It appears none of your Presidents can each passes the buck to the other

[tomder55]

But it is a convenient ruse. Obama's been milking that cow for 4 years now

[Tuttyd]

I wouldn't say liberal .There are globalists on both sides of the aisle . Bush signed the Agenda 21 agreement .

Probably because there is nothing contemptible than an politician of any persuasion who won't conform.

[excon]

Hello again,

I must admit that I snicker a little bit when I see this thread in my notifications.. I mean, how do you discuss science with people who believe that a pretty design in a seashell is PROOF there's a God?

excon

[talaniman]

So we should hold the president accountable for suppressing a report that was released last year and congress is trying to squash the results? What does that have to do with science?

I mean what was the purpose of cloning Dolly if you weren't going to eat her or use her wool? I say the science doesn't matter if there are enough people or monied interest who don't believe in it or have a strong interest in preserving the status quo. I mean if we were so pro science wouldn't we follow the science and NOT the money?

Just like big oil won't invest in green energy as long as oil is making huge profits. Doesn't matter what science says or how the president feels about it if the congress has already moved to ban the results.

In this society MONEY TALKS, and science is a tool to bring more of it. Come on, stop trying to assign ideology to science. It can't be done.

And while you may want to make Obama accountable for promoting science, lets make the ones who resist it just as accountable. When he privatized NASA, you cried, while still hollering "we ain't got no money".

You can't have it both ways.

[joypulv]

I've seen worse senseless political arguing than this here, and thankfully I don't know which of you finds God in a seashell whorl. If I were from another planet, I would find it very curious that saving the earth and religion seem to be polar opposites in so many people.

I am not against GMO efforts, but not just so that 7 billion people can become many more billion. Unless some Franken-fruit or fish or grain makes humans sterile. Then we can pump more money back into cloning, having pigs be surrogates, and populating space. Or living forever on fake organs. Perish the thought, and imagine the wars between 'pure' human and not quite human. Goody

[paraclete]

Hello again,

I must admit that I snicker a little bit when I see this thread in my notifications.. I mean, how do you discuss science with people who believe that a pretty design in a seashell is PROOF there's a God?

excon

What else are you going to attribute it to Ex, science had nothing to do with it and cannot explain why each is unique. You need to understand, ex, science is just man striving to understand the detail of what God did. Einstein said it well " I just want to know the thoughts of God, everything else is just the details"

[NeedKarma]

science had nothing to do with it and cannot explain why each is unique.

Actually each species of seashell has many common traits; the differences exist in the same way as we ar alle different: nature (genetics) and nurture (wear and tear on the shell).

[paraclete]

Actually each species of seashell has many common traits; the differences exist in the same way as we ar alle different: nature (genetics) and nurture (wear and tear on the shell).

Ah yes but where did the genetics come from

[tomder55]

Mark Lynas a British environmentalist,has been a key figure in the demonizing of GMO for years . But now he says he's been wrong.

I want to start with some apologies. For the record, here and upfront, I apologise for having spent several years ripping up GM crops. I am also sorry that I helped to start the anti-GM movement back in the mid 1990s, and that I thereby assisted in demonising an important technological option which can be used to benefit the environment.

As an environmentalist, and someone who believes that everyone in this world has a right to a healthy and nutritious diet of their choosing, I could not have chosen a more counter-productive path. I now regret it completely.

I guess you'll be wondering-what happened between 1995 and now that made me not only change my mind but come here and admit it? Well, the answer is fairly simple: I discovered science, and in the process I hope I became a better environmentalist.

Read the whole thing here :
Mark Lynas » Lecture to Oxford Farming Conference, 3 January 2013
Basically he let preconceived ideas rule his science . Seems to be an epidemic .

[paraclete]

Basically he let preconceived ideas rule his science . Seems to be an epidemic .

Yes one wonders how it can be called science, find some criteria, develop a theory and then lie about the results, is nothing sacred

[tomder55]

I know we discussed Al Gore's sale of his unwatchable Current TV to Al Jazeera . Not sure if we went into detail about the full extent of the hypocrisy of him selling it to an entity owned by the Qatari government, which is run by the Al Thani family. Qatar of course has a massive carbon footprint in the world . But for the Goracle ,business is business. He won't let his own convictions interfere in a good deal while he simultaneously lectures us on the sacrifices we must make.
Hmmm ;I wonder why oil rich Qatar would be interested in getting a foothold in the US cable TV market ? Could it be that they will use the forum to propagandize about the evils of the newly found oil and natural gas wealth in the United States ? Will we see movies and specials funded by OPEC depicting the evils of the fracking revolution ?
Matt Damon fracking film backed by big OPEC member - Economy
Naaaahhhh

[paraclete]

Of course you will, there are many interests competing in our destruction

[Tuttyd]

Mark Lynas a British environmentalist,has been a key figure in the demonizing of GMO for years . But now he says he's been wrong.

read the whole thing here :
Mark Lynas » Lecture to Oxford Farming Conference, 3 January 2013
Basically he let preconceived ideas rule his science . Seems to be an epidemic .

Finally Mark Lynas has realized that the politics of globalization and the scientific ideology are one and the same.

He cannot have any preconceived ideas because only individuals have preconceived ideas. Individualism is discouraged in favour of conformity to the existing scientific structures.. Management will reward him.

He loved Big Brother.

[paraclete]

Finally Mark Lynas has realized that the politics of globalization and the scientific ideology are one and the same.

He cannot have any preconceived ideas because only individuals have preconceived ideas. Individualism is discouraged in favour of conformity to the existing scientific structures.. Management will reward him.

He loved Big Brother.

Bought no doubt

[Tuttyd]

bought no doubt

I was thinking exactly the same thing,

Tut

[speechlesstx]

Individualism is discouraged in favour of conformity to the existing scientific structures..

Agendized 'science' by consensus, that's how we got this climate change charade.

[talaniman]

Special interest seems to be able to buy anything. And muddy the waters on real science.