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Jan 1, 2013, 09:18 PM
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Must I raise the wall drain of my sink, or is there a p-trap fix?
I am trying to install an American Std Reminiscence Pedestal SinkModel #: 0211.800, 734900-400. It has a pededstal that is open in the top but then completely solid about midway down. My floor drain is 17.5 inches from the finished floor. The sink specs state the drain needs to be 20.5 inches from the floor. So the ptrap cannot be lowered anymore than I have already, or it hits the solid portion of the pedestal. So I am not able to make the sink drain and p trap extend to the drain. Must I raise the drain, or is there a p trap I can order that is made especially for pedestal sinks that are close to the wall? I can send pics to show what I have. Thanks for any advice.
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Jan 2, 2013, 03:27 AM
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Hi fleagle and welcome, you've come to the right place, great plumbing help here. Posting the pics would really help. Good luck
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Senior Plumbing Expert
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Jan 2, 2013, 06:27 AM
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Hi Fleagle...
You can raise the drain... most likely the best option for someone with what I assume are limited remodeling experiences.
Or, if you have an angle grinder with a diamond blade (and some goggles and a face mask) you can just mark out the pedestal base and cut out the china on the back side of the pedestal base! I have done this numerous times with great success, but I have been doing this and working with these tools all my life!
Anyway, there is no "special trap" that works here. Move the drain or cut out the back of the pedestal base... only options!
Good luck!
Mark
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Senior Plumbing Expert
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Jan 2, 2013, 06:37 AM
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I saw the pics...
Options are as I presented above, OR buy another pedestal sink with a lower back already cut out.
Good luck!
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Jan 2, 2013, 06:41 AM
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Thanks Mark for your help! I suspected that was the answer, but was hoping for the magic p trap solution... I am guessing that the inside of the pedestal is solid china (not hollow) so if I take my time and remove material slowly, and leave plenty of space on the sides, just taking out what I need, I am hoping I will not damage or crack the base.
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Senior Plumbing Expert
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Jan 2, 2013, 06:43 AM
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Take your time and it should work out OK. The horizontal china at the back is actually hollow, so cutting it out won't be quite as bad as you think!
Cut outside!
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Jan 2, 2013, 11:20 AM
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I might be able to borrow a bit like this. I was thinking I could drill two consecutive holes and use the grinder to get the rest. Do you think that would work:
http://www.homedepot.com/buy/mk-diamond-1-3-8-in-premium-grade-wet-and-dry-core-bit-mk--290-1-3/8-in.. html#.UOR5-G_Ad8E
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Senior Plumbing Expert
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Jan 2, 2013, 12:10 PM
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No core bits...
No drilling...
Need an angle grinder (or a rotozip with angle attachment) and a diamond blade. That is the only way I would suggest trying this!
Anything to do with drilling will probably shatter the vitreous china!
Mark
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Jan 2, 2013, 12:25 PM
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Thanks - will do! I saw someone drilling out sinks and toilets on YouTube and thought it might be the way to go in order to avoid cutting something "free hand" if you know what I mean.
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Senior Plumbing Expert
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Jan 2, 2013, 04:03 PM
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I can only speak to my experience and I wouldn't use a drill for this application. I might drill vitreous china for a simple hole, but not something like this. The angle grinder is almost fool proof 'cause if you make a small mistake it is on the backside of the base, right?
Good luck!
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Jan 2, 2013, 04:09 PM
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Really interesting thread. Good info. Tried to leave you a green, Mass, but it wouldn't let me.
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Senior Plumbing Expert
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Jan 2, 2013, 06:46 PM
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Someone dropped a greenie on me, John... must have been you?
Thanks either way!
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New Member
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Jan 2, 2013, 08:07 PM
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Thank you, for sure. I will update once I finish the grinding, hopefully this weekend.
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Senior Plumbing Expert
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Jan 6, 2013, 07:52 PM
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I was wondering about you, so thank you for updating us!
You did an EXCEPTIONAL JOB! You could have widened the cuts and made it a bit easier on yourself, but overall, a really nice job!
Thanks again... glad if I helped!
Mark
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Jan 6, 2013, 08:51 PM
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Thanks so much for the kind words. You absolutely helped me to decide to go ahead with the grinding process. I was afraid to cut too close to the edges and was sweating bullets, hoping that I didn't hear a CHING, or a CRACK. Thank you again for the encouraging words and your helpful responses.
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Uber Member
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Jan 7, 2013, 04:28 AM
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Did a nice job. Isn't it nice when a plan works out for the good?
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New Member
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Jan 7, 2013, 08:52 AM
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Thanks! It sure is nice, you are right. Every small success is a confidence builder, too, so that also is nice. Take care.
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