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tomder55 · Dec 26, 2012, 05:07 PM

Clete the currency is already devalued. What we really need is a stable currency policy ,and budget cuts that would eventually bring them back to manageable debt levels. That won't happen over night .But it won't start with the current leadership in either the WH or Congress.

talaniman · Dec 26, 2012, 05:51 PM

Whipping the slaves more so master makes more money is NOT the solution even if that's what capitalist want.

paraclete · Dec 26, 2012, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Clete the currency is already devalued. What we really need is a stable currency policy ,and budget cuts that would eventually bring them back to manageable debt levels. That won't happen over night .But it won't start with the current leadership in either the WH or Congress.

Tom you are speaking of a dream world, your currency needs to devalue at least 50% to have any real effect and that would start a trade war, so probably won't happen, you need to stop printing money with the QE nonsense and return interest rates to reasonable levels so investment can flow again, why would anyone invest in a place where interest rates are zero, the soveriegn risk is too high.

Capitalism in the US has failed because of corporate and individual greed and that must be dealt with, You can't afford these high flyer CEO's who produce nothing, anyone can slash and burn and take a bonus, that's greed.

You have to get your politicians snouts out of the trough and that means getting rid of these lobbiests who are fueling greed. You need fundamental change and I'm sorry but I can't see it happening

excon · Dec 27, 2012, 06:16 AM

Hello:

You know, the economy is NOT really controllable by man. It's kind of like an atomic pile. If you put too many rods in, not enough power comes out. If you take too many rods out, it blows up.

Our leaders are playing with it HOPPING that they don't take too many rods out. But, they don't have ANY idea how many is TOO many...

I fear we're in for a LOOOONG dark period. The crazy thing is, it's an entirely SELF INFLICTED wound. Yes, it's the TEA PARTY who's bringing us down...

excon

speechlesstx · Dec 27, 2012, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello:

You know, the economy is NOT really controllable by man. It's kinda like an atomic pile. If you put too many rods in, not enough power comes out. If you take too many rods out, it blows up.

Our leaders are playing with it HOPPING that they don't take too many rods out. But, they don't have ANY idea how many is TOO many...

I fear we're in for a LOOOONG dark period. The crazy thing is, it's an entirely SELF INFLICTED wound. Yes, it's the TEA PARTY who's bringing us down...

excon

So it's the Tea Party that spent us into this hole?

excon · Dec 27, 2012, 07:42 AM

Hello again, Steve:

So it's the Tea Party that spent us into this hole?

I don't know. You missed it again... I'm NOT talking about WHO brought us here, or I'd have mentioned George W. Bush's TWO wars that we DIDN'T pay for. Where was the Tea Party THEN??

But, my answer refers to those who are PREVENTING us from SOLVING it.

Look. I KNOW it's YOU I'm talking about. I don't expect you to think of yourself as the one who DESTROYED our economy. If I did it, I wouldn't think so either.

Excon

speechlesstx · Dec 27, 2012, 07:47 AM

Well no I don't have to think about it at all, I didn't destroy the economy. I just wonder if all you people who think we did run your finances like the federal government does. If you do, how's that workin' for you?

tomder55 · Dec 27, 2012, 07:47 AM

When faced with the task of building consensus ;Bill Clintoon locked himself in a room with Newt and together they hashed out a plan. The President's version of that is to tell Bonehead 'take it or leave it' ;make a statement to the press that it's the Repubic's fault ;and then go fly away to his next golf outing .

excon · Dec 27, 2012, 08:01 AM

Hello again, tom:

If I were about to destroy the economy, I'd BLAME the other guy too..

The FACT is, Boehner and the pres were VERY close to a GRAND bargain a week or so ago. The bargain, of course, DID include income tax increases, but Boehner couldn't get it through his caucus RE: Tea Party. It was THEN that he came out with the impossible Plan B to salvage SOMETHING, and even THAT couldn't get through the Tea Party...

Again, if I was about to DESTROY the economy, I'd blame EVERYBODY else but me. But, we all KNOW who's doing it. Really. We're NOT stupid.

excon

tomder55 · Dec 27, 2012, 08:07 AM

The FACT is, Boehner and the pres were VERY close to a GRAND bargain a week or so ago.

the bargain you talk about was that Plan B that Bonehead put out on his own without the President. That was the plan defeated when the TP properly perceived that Bonehead caved. But make no mistake... it was not a bargain that the President had anything to do with.

By the way ;the President loves the fact that we are going over the cliff . From his perspective ;what's not to like ? He gets his tax hikes ;he gets his military cuts ;and everything else?? He has the press to blame the Repubics and the TP .

speechlesstx · Dec 27, 2012, 08:16 AM

The Democrat controlled Senate hasn't passed a budget for going on 4 years. The president wants unilateral authority to raise the debt ceiling and has been pointed out numerous times, his only compromise on his "balanced approach" is "my way or the highway." Don't put this all on the Tea Party which wants to keep taxes low and stop unsustainable spending levels, we're NOT stupid.

excon · Dec 27, 2012, 08:24 AM

Hello again, tom:

the President loves the fact that we are going over the cliff .

This, from the guy who thinks Fast and Furious was a conspiracy to get OUR guy killed, so Obama could round up the guns. Since THAT didn't work, you probably think he sent the killer to Connecticut. But, I digress.

Going over the cliff CAN produce advantages, if the PR is handled right. You're doing your best to paint it YOUR way.

But, I suggest that Obama is at LEAST as smart as I am, and like ME, he KNOWS that tinkering with disaster, might just bring the disaster on.

You guys think tinkering with disaster is a GOOD way to get what you want. But, you might get the disaster instead.

Again, you're not fooling ANYBODY..

Excon

speechlesstx · Dec 27, 2012, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Going over the cliff CAN produce advantages

...

Again, you're not fooling ANYBODY..

excon

Interesting things to say from the guy who just blamed the TP for destroying the economy.

talaniman · Dec 27, 2012, 08:47 AM

Bonehead wanted leverage and support to negotiate with. He didn't get it. Over the cliff we go.

Thanks Tea Party, and the rest of you wingers who want to stop government spending and make banks and corporations the new god, and govern America with manipulated capitalism.

You have been saying NO for 4 years and your way or NO way, and its interesting how you react to someone who says it back to you.Thats either hypocrisy, or ideology. For sure its not working, and never did. Never will. Everybody knows that but YOU guys.

The only question left is what will you wingers do after we go over the cliff, and the real fun begins?

excon · Dec 27, 2012, 08:48 AM

Hello again,

I left off the word political advantages.. Somebody is going to be left standing.. Whomever the winner IS, will have reaped those political advantages... But, the country will be destroyed..

There was a time when I, like tom, THOUGHT that going over the cliff COULD reap certain advantages for my team... But, now I see the risk as being TOO BIG. I don't think it's CONTROLLABLE. I really LIKE my comparison to a nuclear pile.

I believe the President, like ME, doesn't want to risk it, either - EVEN though there might be political advantages... He LOVES his country too much... You guy's, on the other hand, look like you want to CRASH it. You REALLY do.

excon

speechlesstx · Dec 27, 2012, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Bonehead wanted leverage and support to negotiate with. He didn't get it. Over the cliff we go.

Thanks Tea Party, and the rest of you wingers who want to stop government spending and make banks and corporations the new god, and govern America with manipulated capitalism.

You have been saying NO for 4 years and your way or NO way, and its interesting how you react to someone who says it back to you.Thats either hypocracy, or ideology. For sure its not working, and never did. Never will. Everybody knows that but YOU guys.

The only question left is what will you wingers do after we go over the cliff, and the real fun begins?

Dude, you know Republicans tried to work with Obama early on and his response was "I won." A while later he then proceeded to ram Obamacare through. And you wonder why Republicans don't cave to him?

You also know he appointed a bipartisan commission then rejected them out of hand. You know he hasn't gotten a single vote on any of his budgets. And the only reason Harry Reid might put Obama's "balance approach" up for a vote is to watch it go down in flames and blame Republicans.

I can't take you any more seriously than I can the most unserious president in our history.

talaniman · Dec 27, 2012, 09:13 AM

Armey's Attempted Armed Coup of the Tea Party

The republican civil war, tea party vs the rest of the party, AND the world.

You call the last 4 years working with Obama? That's a joke right?

tomder55 · Dec 27, 2012, 09:22 AM

Sure does put a lie to all the Dem demogogery over the so called 'Bush tax cuts.' Funny thing is that how critical it is to them that they remain (except for the screwing the rich of course ) .Guess the President was blowing a whole lot of smoke when he waxed poetic about the Clintoon rates .

speechlesstx · Dec 27, 2012, 09:24 AM

[QUOTE=talaniman;3354555You call the last 4 years working with Obama? Thats a joke right?[/QUOTE]

Um, that's not at all what I said. I said "tried" but you CAN'T work with someone that refuses to budge.

excon · Dec 27, 2012, 09:24 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Dude, you know Republicans tried to work with Obama early on and his response was "I won."

I'm SURE you believe that, like you believe the Fast & Furious conspiracy. But, it's just not so.

What's SO, is Mitch McConnell's pledge that Obama BE a one term president... And, he did his BEST to make it that way. Didn't work... They NEVER tried to work with him. That's NEVER - NEVER - NEVER.

Look. You can think of yourselves as the good guys, and you do. But, WE think of ourselves as the good guys too, and guess what?? The COUNTRY agrees with US - NOT you. Did that stop the intransigence?? It did NOT.

Here's where we are... You HATE lefties, and lefties aren't fond of you. Where's that going to get us? Over the cliff and in deep sh1t, that's where it's going to get us!

Excon