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    Dec 21, 2012, 07:56 PM
    New vaccines/ neurotoxins
    I am a mlt student wanting to learn mpre about creating vaccines. I am almost one in a million people that is able to cure after being bitten by a brown recluse spider. Some of the signs were there but do to family environment I never said a thing as I got in trouble when I got sick. Later thinking it may be cancerous, a slice was taken and tested revealing that I had been bit by a member of the brown recluse spider family. The signs I had were black necorted tissue in a bubbly patch that only grew about 2 inches in circumfrence all around. Would I then be able to find someone to help me and develop a vaccine to the nerotoxins of this spider?


    I am now in school with a 4.0 gpa though I'm only in my 4th term. I seem to pick it up quiet learn and would love to learn more and later increase my knowledge in finding cures to idiopathic disease. But I'm in no way a professional and would like some help.
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    Dec 21, 2012, 07:58 PM
    Furthermore its entirely healed the patch has a light bubbly deformed shape to it and I can only feel pressure when applied to it. It is numb.
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    Dec 21, 2012, 09:45 PM
    You are one in a million huh? I know of many who have been bitten by a brown recluse and lived to tellnof it. I am one of them.

    I really am not sure what you are asking here though. If you want to develop an anti-venom, you are going to have to catch a lot of those tiny spiders.
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    Dec 21, 2012, 10:07 PM
    You're one in a million? I don't even live in a part of the world that has this species of spider, and I know at least 3 people, personally, that have been bitten and lived to tell the tale. I can definitely verify that I don't know 3 million people. Not even close.

    I do have to say, I read your post. You mention being smart, a lot. On this site the written word is all we have to go by. If I were to determine your intelligence based on your post, and your claims, well, you'd fall short of convincing me that you're as smart as you think you are.

    If you're as smart as you think you are, but have failed to prove, then creating a vaccine for a venom that isn't nearly as toxic as you're making it out to be, should be a no brainer.
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    Dec 22, 2012, 04:36 PM
    Not an anti venom but a way for the body to learn to produce a natural antibody. Again I'm no professional I just find the medical society to be interesting so I'm curious how to test the water starting here.


    Im not saying I'm super smart. Just that I seem to understand it some I just started in the field so its natural that I do not know things. However, I am going off information found online and with my teachers one who is a doctor and the my other teacher in my pathology class. They say its rare. Not to say that it never happens. I suppouse I should have been more thourough in my question and explanation of self but myself isn't the main issue and thus I look for help.

    I was told that if a brown recluse bite is left untreated (in most cases) if left untreated it spreads and causes dead tissue, the necroted tissue. Which leads to loss of function and then eventully loss of limb.

    I ask for possibities, brainstorming what do you think.


    Other questions would be what ifs concerning hyperplasia, neoplasia, and necrotic tissue. But I will ask that another time.

    Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
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    Dec 22, 2012, 04:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Alty View Post
    You're one in a million? I don't even live in a part of the world that has this species of spider, and I know at least 3 people, personally, that have been bitten and lived to tell the tale. I can definitely verify that I don't know 3 million people. Not even close.

    I do have to say, I read your post. You mention being smart, a lot. On this site the written word is all we have to go by. If I were to determine your intelligence based on your post, and your claims, well, you'd fall short of convincing me that you're as smart as you think you are.

    If you're as smart as you think you are, but have failed to prove, then creating a vaccine for a venom that isn't nearly as toxic as you're making it out to be, should be a no brainer.
    Well I would disagree as for simple easy to heal. Did you know that they found a man that for some reason didn't get hiv through a certain type of testing in which many did, he did it at a crucial time and though he believe he would get it it paid well enough to support his family. I believe it goes down to genetics. Caused by a mutated gene. Which would make sense to happen occasionally considering that we lose the orignal cells as we age. These cells become merely copys of orignal then copy of copy. This man with a immunity to the hiv seem to had inherited it somewhere along the line. However, does this then mean that having hiv is easy to cure just because a few people have tge same genetic trait. But I'm just thinking. Hehe the world of medicine is endless considering there are many idopathic disease out there I look forward to reaserching and learning more.

    Im not smart... I just seem to comprehend something, there are so many people out there who have study years and understand so much I respect and look up to them. They are my source of pride. I wish to be a unconventional thinker because no one got anywhere by playing it safe. I may be nervouse to talk to critcal people that will judge me but I will never be afraid to ask, simple questions such as why, and how.

    Thank you.
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    Dec 22, 2012, 05:22 PM
    Were they treated for it. I believe that they already have anti venom I'm more looking into researching antibodies so that people wouldn't need to come in for treatment.

    That's what my teacher said one in a million figurativly speaking.

    Thank you for answering me seriously though.

    I guess people think I was talking about myself too much as for the "smart" all about my grades are true except that I've only been in school 12 weeks I'm in a career school so thankfully we have accelerated course. Ive only taking simples like pathology, anatomy and physilogy, and medical terminology. But I was afraid of people simply writing me off so thank you so much.

    After all I'm a baby in the field.
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    Dec 22, 2012, 09:11 PM
    I like your idea, but I don't see it possible. If so, we would be working on this with other creatures like snake bites and scorpion stings, etc.

    You are correct in that an untreated brown recluse bite results in necrotic tissue and death of limb affected. I just don't see that we can make this an immunity such as we have with smallpox, etc. It's neither a virus or a bacteria, thus our bodies don't recognize it as such.

    I was bitten by a brown recluse on the posterior left knee over 20 years ago and it still bothers me when it's hot and humid.

    You are in a career school? What is that? You are in the baby field? What does that mean?

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